I love doing research, evaluations, statistics, ect...
Maybe no one will help me out in answering my question...
I wanted to see how different types of jobs, years of service and education level affect pay and benefits...
I have an uncle who believes no one has really any benefits anymore except for government employees...
I would like to prove him wrong...
here is what I am asking....
log in as anonymous
give the following information:
job
salary
years of service
do you have insurance/how much does it cost a month
education level
I hope to get a lot of responses so I can present him with my findings...Thanks
Tuesday, September 13, 2005
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school teacher
38,000
5
yes/$300 a month family
B.S, working on Masters degree
Job: Office Manager......3 Office, 17 Doctor Pediatric Clinic (92 Current Employees)
Salary: $85,000 +bonus
Years: 12
Benefits: Insurance free through wife's employer......but offered at my job.
Education: 8 years Air Force Active Duty, 6 years Reserves.....Currently at a 3rd year status at ASU School of Business. --> Employer paying 100% of schooling. Including supplies. LOL!
Financial Institution Supervisor
31,000
5
yes/$122 month single/$319 family
2 yrs college, no degree
This is the first time I have disagreed with any of your comments, Game. But this time I think your uncle is right, at least in my profession. The average wages/salaries for nurses has significantly decreased since I became a nurse almost 13 years ago. Of course, my salary hasn't went down, but it isn't increasing at the rate wages for nurses did 13 years ago either. Right now, with my experience, expertise, additional certifications, etc, I am 'topped out' for salary. The working conditions, and the way nurses are treated has REALLY went downhill. Now RN's are just a piece of meat, a commodity for medical organizations. Although there are some nursing positions out there that are not like this, these are not the norm. Last year's US statistics reported that the average RN changes jobs every 6 months. It is impossible not to, for most nurses, considering the way most are treated by 'employers'. Also, there is this myth that there is a nursing 'shortage'. Not so, there is simply a shortage of nurses in certain geographical regions.....after all who wants to work in inner city hospitals, or out in the desert 200 miles from a town with a population of at least 20,000? Not many. The facts are that there is an overabundance of nurses congregated in certain geographical areas, where most want to live, the low crime, easy access to shopping, and cultural pleasures, good schools for the kids, etc. I have done the statistics on the number of nurses per state, and then performed a statistical analysis of the number of nurses in certain regions in these states, and the sad truth is that the USA has more nurses than you can 'shake a stick at.' And, yes in my analysis, I considered the number of nurses holding active licenses versus inactive, and the number of nurses who are actually working in nursing. Nurses are simply fighting for jobs in 'good' areas. Essentially all of the higher paid 'travel nurse positions' are where? You guessed it, places other nurses don't want to live, let alone work, inner cities and isolated remote, ugly rural areas. Sure, you can stand it if you know it is only for a 13 week contract. But no one really wants to stay in these areas, so the demand for travel nurses in these places is really HIGH, and ALWAYS there, ALWAYS will be, no matter how heavily we saturate the population with nurses. The fact is that in the desirable areas, the workforce is SATURATED with RN's, and jobs are very competitive, with lots of nursing backstabbing going on in order to keep the desirable location job. I have Bachelor of Science degrees in Nursing, Psychology, and Sociology. And yes, I work as an RN for a living; I have worked full time/overtime as an RN for a living for close to 13 years. The last 5 years have been in either Emergency nursing or ICU. For 5 years before that, I was AD USAF NC. The other 3 years I worked in other various specialty areas of nursing.
The education standard for nurses has went way down. My nursing degree is from a state University that, at the time I graduated,had a 98% pass rate on the state boards, and besides that, was rated as the third best nursing program in the US. Now, for the same University, the pass rate is 50% for the state boards, and the scores are among the lowest in the country. Although the state boards no longer officially 'grade' individual candidates' state board exam results, with the 'grades' being given to the RN 'candidates' taking the state board exams, the statistical data is STILL collected by each state board, and the data is used to determine the nursing program's effectiveness, and what areas they need to improve on, ie: are most of the low scores due to 'candidate' weakness in certain specialty areas (for example, GYN)? The scores are then statistically compared to each other state's scores, and school's scores. Most nurses are not even aware that this monitoring activity is going on....they aren't interested, they just want to make money NOW, and they do not have an interest in making working conditions better for all nurses. Therefore, the quality in the profession continues to decrease. My mother is a retired teacher, a very intelligent woman. Thank God for the teacher's union or her finances would not be decent in her retirement years. She was also a county superintendent of schools, and never favored the tenure, or lots of the things the union stood for. However, she does admit that if public school teachers today did not have the unions, teachers would be in dire straits, both now, and in their retirement years. Most nurses do not have a union, unless they work for a state or county hospital, or a University hospital with state affiliations. They are screwed. I have worked for 'private, nonprofit' (that term is a joke, I can rant about that even longer than this) hospitals, and I have worked for government run hospitals, (state, county, military). I ALWAYS made more money with MORE benefits at the GOV run hospitals, than in the private hospitals, ALWAYS. And the working conditions were always better in the GOV hospitals. The benefits were always better. So in my profession, whether most nurses realize it or not, they are much better off working for the GOV. If not for my military benefits, and military health insurance, which costs me NOTHING, I would never be able to afford to go to a physician, or a dentist. Why? Because, even though the medical benefits, and retirement benefits at private hospitals are better than most 'average' professions, they are still severely lacking. A person could still go bankrupt by depending solely on these types of benefits offered from private hospitals, if the individual required treatment for a major illness. Well game, that's my analysis. And BTW, I am a strong conservative. I am definitely Right Wing. But THIS time, your uncle is Right. I think he may have the advantage of some experience that comes with age over you.
wow...
I got a beat down there...
I was just looking for numbers to see if I was right...
It seems to be that I am based on the few that have given me the numbers...
Government jobs are obviously better with the benefits, but usually not pay, and I wanted to see how close the two were.
Game, I think the gist of this nurse's post was only to point out that in order for statistics to be correct, more needs to be considered besides wages, benefits, and level of education. Since the poster demonstrated that there is an overabundance of certain professions in certain locales, it makes sense that the more that area is saturated with professions, the less money the privately owned jobs will have to pay them. On the other hand, due to the nature of government jobs, in many cases, no matter where the jobs are, there are usually strict rules they follow, so that everyone everywhere, gets the same amount of pay. So although it may be true that some professions make more money in the private sector, there are professions that earn more money in government jobs. I know of government janitors, who make more money than lots of people with college degrees. They make a lot more money than any janitor working at the local mall does, that's for damn sure. Plus they have great benefits and working conditions. I think it would depend on what profession you're in, and where you are located, etc, whether you would make more at a government job than in the private organizations. So I really don't think you can get accurate stats just by comparing a group of readers. I think to get accurate stats you would have to consider a lot more items, and also have to have a large enough sampling group. Otherwise the stats are meaningless.
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