From National Review Online: "In 1990, North Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap, confirming what he has written in his own memoirs, told Stanley Karnow that "We were not strong enough to drive out a half-million American troops, but that wasn't our aim. Our intention was to break the will of the American government to continue the war." Murtha should know this history; the Iraqi insurgents certainly do."
Sunday, November 27, 2005
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Why do conservatives have such a small penis about communist countries? Vietnam is a successful, independant nation who doesnt have animosity towards the US. They fought off the French, US and the Chinese over the course of 25 years of fighting, and removed the Khymer Rouge(the real bad guys)from power. If you are learning from history, its that a country doesnt need the US to form a successful government. OK, history lesson over. You need a differently worded title.
The reason Vietnam is "successful" is they cherry picked capitalists elements to weave into their economy. But I wouldn't call a society still riding oxen and junky mopeds successful. About 1/4 of the population lives in poverty. According to the UN, in the rural areas of the country, the poverty rate is about 75%.
However, compared to Hong Kong, currently under China's communist thumb and formerly a British colony, Vietnam is wildly impoverished. Hong Kong let capitalism rip and as a result, their unemployment rate stands at 4.07%. China has declared a hands off policy and won't kill the goo$e that lay$ the golden egg$. China needs the capitalist cash desperately to drag their butts out the iron age.
So rhyno, besides not knowing what the hell you're talking about - again, it seems you're the one with conservative penis envy. At the very least intelligence envy.
I grow weary of these 60s re-treads and their dunce wannabes that long for the halcyon days when America was their clueless punching bag.
I can't wait this generation of morons to pass. What do they have to show for their existence? Literally everything they have preached is wrong and proven so.
But still they plague us.
I wish I could say things as well as EH
Yeah Game, so do I....(wish I could say things as eloquently as Espella). Sigh...I guess that's why he's "rich". It's well deserved, I'm sure.
Sometimes I read his notes, and all I can say is WOW!
Fortunately, those of us with an education are, grotesquely, way beyond you. Spouting off unelaborated statistics and opinionated drivel doesnt make for quality research OR argument.
First, you cant compare Vietnam to Hong Kong, only contrast(except for the dates which they were ruled by Europe.). Hong Kong was ruled as a mercantile center for hundreds of years, and developed many different layers to its economy long before China gained back possesion of the islands. Once aquired, China's only official role is to speak diplomatically and defend the city.
Vietnam was a rural, agrarian economy for almost a millenium of self-rule. They fought off the Chinese and Mongols numerous times. After attaining autonomy after the conflicts I mentioned in my first post, this continued until 20 years ago. Since then, Vietnam has been the worlds second fastest growing economy. Most unemployment comes from people leaving the farms to try and find work in the cities. A symptom of EVERY fast growing economy. Oh, and unemployment is 25-35% in the countryside, depending on whether its harvest season. Its overall unemplyment rate is 1.9% and Hong Kongs is 6.7%(both 2004). Your facts are crap.
Additionally, both have an equivalent literacy rate. However, Hong Kong has a drastically higher crime rate, and is one of the worlds largest purveyors of heroin, as well as most synthetic drugs.
Do yourself a favor and make sure you are right(not RIGHT)before you ever challenge me again. Otherwise you just make it easier for liberals to point out the flaws in your whole system.
wow rhyno...this generation has accomplished nothing. no child labor laws, no overtime, no civil rights,no gender equality. protecting Gods creation(our planet) and of course the 4 out of 7 presidents that came from the end of world war two to Reagan had anything to do with ending communism..that was alllll Raygun. That is to mention a few...but all that was bad! Or else it really didn't happen or the liberals didn't do it.
You know..we of the America is a punching bag variety..we should focus on other countries wrongs..just like we as parents focus on other childrens wrongs... of course America is never wrong and if it is it's bad to point it out cuz that lets other people see our weaknesses. Good Americans pretend that it is roses at the feet from the government everyday. Don't point out improvements to be made or wrongs being done...dissent is not the American way..that would be like spanking your OWN children and lordy knows liberals would never do that!!!!!
I guess my wacky frame of mind is why I'm not rich.
by the way condi and the president have also mentioned "cut and run" recently. Of course you can only call it that if the democrats do it. You know, dear leader has the only policy that will work..we should all know that by now.
Man Ron, you used to make some comments that sounded like they came from the English language...right now you sound too much like Howard Dean or the Donkey....Rhyno at least sounds intelligent, even if he is wrong...
I just spent 3 hours writing my chapter three of my thesis and it got me 3 lousy stinking pages...damn it
so Mr. Humanzee, the ideal america to you would be no welfare, no food stamps, no medicare(caid), no social security, no regulation of business, no dissent of a war effort?
I'm having a hard time understanding your ideal america..could you explain?
Sorry game I am what I am...Like I said it's hard to debate someone who actually has no idea what a living breathing american liberal REALLY is. I noticed you had nothing to reply but that I'm not even speaking english.
Sorry about that thesis thing. Maybe it's just cuz it's sunday and your brain wants to rest.:-)
On Hong Kong: "AVERAGE annual unemployment rate in Hong Kong was 4.6 percent" - CATO (a LIBERAL think tank, just for you Wino) http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-03-04.html
On Vietnam... "While urban areas have benefited most from reform policies, poverty seems to be persistent in many parts of rural Viet Nam and is extremely high among ethnic minority groups, reaching 75 per cent in 1998 according to the General Statistical Office (GSO). Ethnic minorities constitute 14 per cent of the population, but account for 29 per cent of the poor." - UN Development Program (I picked the UN because liberals just love UN data ) http://www.undp.org.vn/themes/poverty/
You are correct in the sense they are doing better. Another OX, another moped... Mostly due to mixing capitalist elements into their economy, as I said. Maybe the government is cooking the books, too. OVERALL poverty is 29% of the population according to Worldbank data '98-'04. The IMF is not so optimistic on Vietnam's ability to overcome their poverty problem. Page 33-34 of http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2004/cr0425.pdf states that their gains may not sustainable.
http://devdata.worldbank.org/AAG/vnm_aag.pdf
Still, any number coming from a communist country should be suspect. Although Wino has no trouble swallowing them. Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, has even more dire news for you. Check out their Economy section.
Sorry Wino, you Fact Monster, it appears your facts are craptoids. But thanks for the "Fractured Communist Fairy Tales".
sometimes I think the blog thing hurts my ability to write in scientific terms....too much informal writing...who knows...but thanks for the kind words (at the end) Ron...
I really can't get into specifics right now,lately I've read your posts and they just sound like emotional jumble...that is all...
Before I get punitive, I still am waiting for any rebuttal that Vietnam has built a successful country without US involvement...since that was my initial statement.
OK, ron..what the hell are you talking about? EH...yeah, where to start? Your junk statistic from 1998 doesnt mean diddly, even if I hadnt stated one from 2004. Also, I got my Hong Kong per. from the US government, not some 'think tank'. Either way, its way over 1.9%, the REAL country-wide unemployment rate. I didnt even get into the poverty level stat because it has more to do with relativity. Also, for the whatever time this is, I am not a Liberal. You, however, are an amateur dolt. It becomes obvious when you try and ridicule someone when they cite statistics against you, when the major complaint around here is calls for evidence and shouts of nothing to back up ones opinion. Plus, you act childish when you try and call people by names. Is this the best Conservatives have to offer? You guys are never going to get any respect if you cant even formulate a proper case.
Yes, I took some info off of Wiki, the rest from the CIA factbook.
(giggle @ the liberal)
I think we are seeing how statistics can be spun to say whatever you want them to say...it looks like EH's stats and facts don't need to be spun, but rhyno takes his numbers and makes them sound good..
but rhyno, conservatives don't have respect? The Left has been losing all over the country since 1992.
Mr. humanzee, still waiting for your vision of a good, strong America. You do have positive visions right? Or is your goal in life just to oppose liberals?
Once again boortz delivers:
AND THE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE?
If we want to be honest about this, here is your concise report on the status of the war on terror. While the American people have not lost their will, the Islamic terrorist jihadists have not lost their determination. This combination of attitudes spells nothing good for our future safety and our very culture. The terrorist game plan for the past few years has largely been to destroy our will to fight ... our will to resist. They have succeeded to an extend unimaginable in the months following 9/11. The true horror here is that the terrorists have met with this amazing success with the eager help of Democrats, the mainstream American media and, of course, those who profess to be Americans but who, in fact, hate this country because of its success, wealth and power.
There was aging San Francisco hippie Nancy Pelosi after Bush's speech yesterday demanding an American withdrawal within six months. Anyone who does not fully understand that there were cheers in the terrorist training camps at Pelosi's words simply does not understand how grave this situation is. Then we have The Poodle, John Kerry, who told us that the presence of our troops on the ground is fueling the insurgency. Well ... duhhhh. That would be like some anti-war Senator from 1944 saying that the Germans are fighting because Americans have landed at Normandy.
If the Democrats are so damned determined to give the Islamic terrorist elements a victory in Iraq, if they're so eager to show the people of the Arab world that we can talk big, but will never stick through to the end ... then they should just introduce a resolution immediately withdrawing all funding for the war in Iraq. As long as this war is being pursued the timetable -- as if there can ever be a timetable -- should be left up to the military commanders in the field, not hippie desk-jockeys in Washington. As for the Democratic claims that George Bush has no strategy to win in Iraq ... pure nonsense. Every time Bush sets forth his strategy in Iraq the Democrats take to the microphones to complain that he hasn't articulated a strategy ... and their myrmidons buy it.
I repeat --- just how many American men and women in Iraq have died because the Democrats decided to politicize this war, instead of to win it?
Why does Rhyno have to use sexual phrases, often perversely, in all of his posts? Does he have a sexual hang up that drives him to do this? Or is he just very immature?
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