I saw "Walk the Line" and "Harry Potter" this weekend...both good, "Walk the Line" is better...
But there was a line at "Harry Potter" that I thought represented the war in Iraq...
The line: "There will be difficult times ahead, everyone will have to make a decision between what is right, and what is easy."
The Dem's and some Republican's are doing what politicians do best...what is easy.
Hopefully enough people decide to do what is right in regards to the war in Iraq.
Also, why are the Dem's so mad that the Republicans forced a vote on pulling out of Iraq?
Answer: Because they don't like it when they might be forced to show the American people what they really think....in this case, they hid thier true fellings once again.
House Rejects Dem Plan to Cut and Run
Saturday, November 19, 2005
The Wisdom of Harry Potter
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Nice try but not accurate at all. Murtha wanted a resolution that would say that the US should withdraw its troops out of Iraq "as soon as practicable", 6-8 months, and keep them staged nearby while the Iraqis take control of their own security.
The Republics decided to try a stunt by removing the conditions under which the redeployment would occur so that it would simply call for immediate withdrawal. This, of course, they characterized as "cut and run", trying to maneuver the Democrats into voting to cut and run.
The Democrats of course understood that it was a phony resolution and would have none of it, and all but three voted against it. 403-3! What a waste of time!
Now what would really have been interesting would have been if the Republic leardership had included the entire languarge that Murtha had proposed. THAT would have been an interesting vote and although it might not have passed, it might have gotten a bunch of Republicans to join most of the Democrats.
I watched the voting and at one time three Republics had voted for it, but those votes later disappeared as the Republic leadership strong-armed them to change their votes.
Jean Schmidt was a disgrace and it was more than just Democrats who protested. It is against House rules to speak out against an individual member.
Seems Jim has lots of spare time on his hands - and he cheated on me with same basic comment. I'm hurt, but he's wrong.
Anyway, I saw HP also and caught the same same. Don't you love it when Hollywood tries to play tough. Apparently there are only monsters in the movies. Not in real life.
Except for Jim.
BTW. HP was very good.
Jim,
comment on the quote...
it is easy for us to want to run away from Iraq...the right thing to do is stay..how can anyone dispute that?
If all the dems voted for the war...why weren't they willing to win the war...really its just cause dems must like to lose
Here is the resolution as formulated by the Republic leadership:
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.
Here is the resolution as introduced by Murtha himself:
Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";
Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by US military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;
Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;
Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;
Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,
Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;
Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;
Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;
Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that:
Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.
Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.
Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.
Notice any difference?
Game, you write, "...the right thing to do is stay..how can anyone dispute that?"
Obviously about half of the US population, about half of the Congress, many, many current and past military leaders and foreign policy experts from past Republican and Democratic administrations can dispute that.
Whit, logically, why would all but 3 Democrats vote against "Democratic demogogery"? They voted against the Republican resolution which was an assinine resolution.
It would have been interesting to see how many Democrats AND Republicans would have voted for the original Murtha resolution.
Jim,
How can the right thing be to do what we did in vietnam? How many people died because of the MSM and liberals in that war?
If we pull out and Iraq is taken over by terrorists...those deaths will be on the Left's hands once again...
and I'm tired of us being the strongest country in the world and having the enemy know that it is our own Left that is the only enemy that can defeat us.
Whit, my response to your point is in the text of Murtha's resolution, which speaks for itself.
Lastly, you are aware that the Administration's plan is to begin withdrawals as soon as possible. So what is all this carping if not demogogery?
If this is the administration's plan [my dictionary says practicable=possible] then why did the Republican leadership change Murtha's wording which appears to match the plan?
Yeah sure, diplomacy will work. Diplomacy is so effective with these people :Z
SR,
Your tunnel vision is showing when you say, "Yeah sure, diplomacy will work. Diplomacy is so effective with these people." You apparently assume the diplomacy is limited to the insurgents.
There are millions of Arabs/Muslims in a number of countries in the region, and most of them don't like us. Pick a reason. But their leaders know and understand what is in their and their country's best interest. With reasonable effort and incentinves by competent and experienced diplomats, these countries could be put in a position to have a political and economic stake in a successful (in terms of US interests) outcome to the Iraq situation.
With the Bush administration, there is "our way or the highway" and no sharing of the economic opportunities. If Iraq's neighbors were to become engaged in the economy of a stable Iraq, the may well be willing to help in the solution.
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