Friday, May 12, 2006

Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts

The new survey found that 63 percent of Americans said they found the NSA program to be an acceptable way to investigate terrorism, including 44 percent who strongly endorsed the effort. Another 35 percent said the program was unacceptable, which included 24 percent who strongly objected to it.

Yet, today Democrats will run around thinking they can gain politically from this...
And they will if Bush gets scared.
Bush, will you stop doing what the Dem's and media want you to do...its the way to recovery...
Examples:
Most people support wiretaps and spying, but the media and Dem's scream loud, Republicans hide in the corner and try not to wet themselves...
Most people want the borders secured and illegals punished, Bush wants to let everyone in...
Most people would support drilling almost anywhere, but Dem's, environmentalist and the media say we can't even drill in the middle of nowhere, and our gas prices go up and up and up...

Bush's numbers are now his fault...the American people still hold conservative values...every poll says they want the Right to do what they are supposed to do, but since the Right is now Democrat-lite, conservatives sit and home in disgust....like they will in Nov.

Bush shows he doesn't get it again:
Bush to Speak About Immigration on Monday

15 comments:

Jim said...

Excuse me but it appears that there are just as many Republics objecting to this as Democrats.

Strange as it may seem, it is the liberals AND the true conservatives who object. The middle does not seem to see the dangerous nature of this type of activity. They are apparently too frightened to care.

Jim said...

"Most people" don't give a s**t about anything but getting to and from work, putting food on the table, and what's on TV. That doesn't mean that what's going on is right, is not dangerous. It simply means that they are uniformed or uninterested.

The Game said...

what is wrong with it Jim?
What freedom are you losing?
When I was a kid I thought it was cool that the govt could know everything about everyone, its not a problem unless you are breaking the law

Jim said...

Are you a conservative or not?

The people who are breaking the law is the NSA. There are legal processes and procedures for getting this information. Did you notice that Qwest told the NSA to go f**k themselves? That's because Qwest knows what the law is and the NSA wasn't following it.

Conservatives, you know true conservatives, are howling about this.

And I'll say it again. It's not that the NSA spies. It's that they don't do it legally and constitutionally. There is no oversight. It's just "Trust us." When did conservatives start trusting the government.

You talk about how Democrats and liberals are cowards somehow for not being tough on terrorists, cowards for not keeping our troops in Iraq. That's bullshit, of course. But the true cowards are those who have allowed the Bush administration to make them SO SCARED that they are willing to look the other way at the government's illegal activities, SO scared of terrorists they are willing to give away any rights or legal protections.

jhbowden said...

Jim --

I want Democrats to come out openly for abolishing the NSA, if they think it is that great of a threat to our liberties.

Otherwise, they need to STFU.

The database they're compiling shows which numbers call which numbers. That's it. For example, 444-444-4444 called 1-123-456-7890 on Jan 3rd, 2006, the computer stores this fact. That's it.

Why are they doing this? For data-mining purposes. If we raid a terrorist hideout in Iraq, or even here in the states, and we find documents with phonenumbers, we'd like to be able to find out who they have been calling here in the states, so 9-11 doesn't happen again.

Democrats don't see the wisdom of this, since they think Bush and the Mossad planned 9/11, and people like Zarqawi are actually fighters against U.S. imperialism. If you think I exaggerate, go to any of their websites.

Jim said...

Look,

You

don't

f**king

get

it!

Nobody...got it? Nobody wants to abolish the NSA. What people want is for the NSA and all other government agencies to perform their duties according to the Constitution and the law. You all complain about judges who supposedly don't follow the constitution and make their own laws, and then you totally ignore that the administration doesn't follow the constitution, doesn't follow the law, and in fact decides which parts of laws it's going to obey when Bush signs them. Seems they have forgotten that when they come into office they swear to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

It's a very conservative value, is it not?

I wouldn't care if the NSA performed a colonoscopy on me (well I might care) as long as they did it legally and constitutionally.

If the administration can break one law, they can break ANY law. If they can ignore the first and fourth amendments, they can ignore the second amendment.

Can you understand that?

The Game said...

calm down Jim...
yes, you make sense...
But I don't believe that is the message the DNC sends out...
And I am willing to give the administration a bit of wiggle room if they feel it can better track terrorists by going about things the way they are...

And don't be so confident that there are obvious laws broken...some say there are, others say there are not..

Bottom line is about 65% of the American people don't care

jhbowden said...

Jim--

You have yet to specify the law that is being broken. You're hysterical.

Rick Moran at Right Wing Nuthouse shares my sentiment exactly:

"I’m sick of it. I’m sick of the exaggerations about the “danger” that the country is becoming a dictatorship, a word they throw around with the practiced ease of someone who has no idea what an actual dictatorship looks like. I’m sick of the ginned up outrage against anything and everything the Administration has done in the past 5 years to protect us. I’m sick to death of these immature, emotionally unstable, intellectually dishonest philistines whose foot stomping tirades have begun to resemble the wailings of teenage girls who put on melodramatic, angst ridden histrionics over the tiniest of slights."

jhbowden said...

From today's WSJ:

"Democrats are outraged, or at least they pretend to be. And major papers have joined the chorus, with the Washington Post calling the newly reported program a "massive intrusion on personal privacy." We're prepared to be outraged, too, if somebody would first bother to explain in detail what the problem is."
............
But since the database doesn't involve any wiretapping, FISA doesn't apply. The FISA statute specifically says its regulations do not cover any "process used by a provider or customer of a wire or electronic communication service for billing, or recording as an incident to billing." As to Ms. Feinstein's invocation of the Fourth Amendment, the Supreme Court has already held (Smith v. Maryland, 1979) that the government can legally collect phone numbers since callers who expect to be billed by their phone company have no "reasonable expectation of privacy" concerning such matters.

So the law appears to be on the Bush Administration's side here. And so does public opinion. An ABC News/Washington Post poll yesterday found that 63% of those surveyed approve of the database program. That's similar to the public's reaction to the warrantless wiretapping controversy, and helps explain why the President's critics on surveillance issues rarely have the courage of their professed civil libertarian convictions.

jhbowden said...

OWNED!

Jim said...

Game, that is exactly the message the DNC is sending out? It's not the NSA and it's not the fight against terrorism that the DNC is against. It is breaking the law and ignoring the constitution that they are against. It doesn't matter what Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity and all the rest SAY the DNC says, because those people lie all day every day.

65% of the American people don't care if you starve to death, but that doesn't mean we should let it happen.

The law being broken (this time)? The Stored Communications Act:

The Stored Communications Act, Section 2703(c), provides exactly five exceptions that would permit a phone company to disclose to the government the list of calls to or from a subscriber: (i) a warrant; (ii) a court order; (iii) the customer’s consent; (iv) for telemarketing enforcement; or (v) by “administrative subpoena.” The first four clearly don’t apply. As for administrative subpoenas, where a government agency asks for records without court approval, there is a simple answer – the NSA has no administrative subpoena authority, and it is the NSA that reportedly got the phone records.

Why do you think Qwest could refuse and get away with it?

Jason, The WSJ is irrelevant because nobody is talking about FISA on this one. This is the Stored Communicatioins Act. See above.

jhbowden said...

Jim--

2702c has been amended due to the Patriot Act renewal passed last March. (iv) now reads there can be an exception

"to a governmental entity, if the provider, in good faith, believes that an emergency involving danger of death or serious physical injury to any person requires disclosure without delay of information relating to the emergency."

See why we shouldn't trust Democrats with national security? Rather than advocating changes in the law to enhance our intelligence capability, they come rushing to the defense of al-queda and al-Zarqawi.

Jim said...

Read that paragraph again, Jason. It doesn't apply. It refers to a situation, a situation.

If the government is data-mining, as you say, then there is by definition no "emergency" requiring disclosure without delay.

You are a liar, Jason, when you say that Democrats "come rushing to the defense of al-queda and al-Zarqawi."

That's a lie, plain and simple.

The Game said...

no, that does make sense Jim.
You have Bush and the admin doing everything they believe necessary to keep us safe, why else would they be doing it?

When we had Clinton, or anytime liberals have control, we turn everything into a court case...we worry if maybe one time one person might be inconvenienced for 5 seconds, so we can't use an entire program or strategy to keep us safe..

Look at how we could have had Bin Laden a few times, but didn't because liberal lawyers were too worried about the rights of the criminal...

The American people are with the Right on this one...who cares if they know who we call, keep us safe, do whatever you need to do, and if someone who breaks the law gets caught, so be it...

Dedanna said...

You say the people want this, game?

Did you not go to ANY of the links at the other blog which point this very poll to be in dispute?????

Geez, man!