since the liberals never comment on the actual meaning of my posts, especially regarding the war in the middle east...
I want YOU people to tell ME what you think of each side in the war between Hezbollah and Israel
Sunday, July 23, 2006
Lets compare the two sides
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game, I'm a regular at sayanything and saw your invite to comment here. I also am an occasional guest blogger there posting under this name.
As far your question, there really is no comparison because one cannot equate opposites. i.e. Israel is fighting for its life, it's existence; the Hezbollah is fighting to exterminate Israel. What Israel is trying to do now in Lebanon is eliminate and/or reduce the threat to its survival.
Dave,
you seem to have it down....you make complete common sense...but I'll wait a bit more before giving my comment
I agree with docdave and Dr Digits. I came over in response to your post on my blog
When you have people whose warped religion tells them to kill everyone they can, and particularly Jews, and that if they get killed they instantly get 72 virgins, you are not going to be able to deal with them than to send them to collect their 72 virgins. I suspect they will find that Hell has run out, but such is life.
Damn, all great, perfect answers...still waiting for the liberal answers before I comment...welcome all...
if you want the straight skinny, go here:
http://www.democracyfrontline.org/blog/
you will not find a better bunch of people in the www. of course, the blog i share with warren also goes without saying. i caught you at rocco's autonomist.
I have a lot of blogs to read...
still waiting to give my answer...
The Game~
Holy cow? Are we twins??? Separated at birth or something? We certainly have to be of the same mold! Lol.
It'll take me a bit to get through these posts, but I'm bound and determined to help you combat the "crazy liberal" problem. :-)
No, I'm not saying that at all. There is no count involved in this. Leave it to you to suggest there is.
I'm simply saying that all actions have consequences, some foreseeable and some unknown. If Israel weakens the Lebanese government even more than it already has, that has consequences. If Israel causes billions of dollars of destruction of the Lebanese infrastructure, as it already has, that has great consequences.
I simply ask if bombing the crap out of everything in sight is the best way of defending onesself. I don't know, myself. But it is certainly legitimate to ask the question.
Game, there's not much more to say, unless I missed someone saying Hezbollah is a murdering terrorist group... There, not ALL bases are covered..
Jim makes a very good point. A terrorist organisation has never been defeated by military force. Civilians on both sides are dying for nothing.
The end result of this situation will be more terror inflicted on innocent Israelis, and more harsh responses from Israel - does anyone here remember how Hezbollah was created in the first place?
Is bombing the crap out of everything in sight is the best way to defend oneself? Worked in Japan.
OK. Perhaps not the best example, as Japan as a nation was pretty much in support of it's government (imagine that) and that's not neccessarily so in Lebanon. At least that's what they say.
But there are consequences for every action and inaction. Perhaps if the Lebanese were more aggressive in stomping out the scumbags in their midst, perhaps by asking for assistance if neccessary, then they would not be suffering the wrath of a country tired of being bombed on a daily basis. It sucks for the innocent civilians, but what is Israel to do? Negotiate? With whom? The same bastards sworn to eliminate them from the face of the earth? I say, release the hounds! No more calls for restraint. There should be no restraint in seeking out murderers and bringing them down.
OK, game, I relent. There is someone as lame as EH. Doc singleton is the new king. All Hail Sofa King!
Anyway, I dont know that there is too much variance here. Hezbollah deserves everything they get, but do the Lebanese people? Since actual knowledge of history is pretty lacking from your Con supporters, and these new people arent any different, I'll fill in some gaps.
(jims allusion) Hezbullah was formed in 1982 as a Shia response to Israels refusal to evacuate Lebanon after its war with them. After that war, Lebanon was puppet of Syria until the early part of this century. Since Lebanon recognizes the political wing of Hebullah, and since that org is part of the ruling coalition of Lebanon(got that drdigits?), where is the cry from above going to come from?
Until somethings happens to offset it, Israel should continue their offensive.
Rhyno and others make good points...
This isn't like Lebanon or the people that live there are trying to get rid of Hezbollah...The welcome them into their govt and neighborhoods...
So I guess you can't say poor innocent people if they allow terrorist camps and weapons stockpiles to be places right where they live...
Also, many on the Left say that Israel is going to far and they cause their own problems...
First of all, should it be the policy of Israel or the United States to only defend itself as far as the terrorists are able to hurt us?
So, we should only have killed around 3,000 terrorists in the war on terror in response to 9-11???
Think of it this way....Hezbollah, Iran and Syria definitely want Israel destroyed....So, if we follow the liberal way of thinking...Israel can only kill one for one with these countries...
So, if there are 50 million people in those countries and 9 million in Israel...I guess that strategy works out well for the terrorists...
I am not sure why Israel should not be able to destroy Hezbollah...
If someone tries to kill me and they publicly state that their sole purpose is to destroy me...why can't I defend myself...because anything besides getting rid of Hezbollah is not defending yourself...
Why is the Left not all over Hezbollah and leave Israel alone?
Hezbollah are the intolerant ones...I thought liberals hated intolerance?
Someone here could say a naughty word about a black person and we would have press conferences and marches....but Arab groups say they will not stop until Israel is gone...so they are publicly saying they want to destroy a whole group of people...and the liberals answer is..."Well, what they are saying is wrong, but Israel should have never made them mad"
I know, Jim and Ron will be very mad that I am able to pin-point what the liberal message is without the PC sugar coating added in...but break down what they say...and the message is clear...
Speaking for myself (mayby Ron), I'm not mad at all. I'm actually just stunned at your ignorance.
First of all where does all of this one for one, 10 for 10 stuff come from? I've never heard ANYBODY but you say anything about this, certainly no one on the "left". You've made it up.
I have yet to hear ANY Democrat or liberal saying ANYTHING WHATSOEVER in support of Hezbollah. Nobody! Nobody! Your making shit up again just to try and bash liberals.
You said liberals say "Well, what they are saying is wrong, but Israel should have never made them mad", is again total made up horse shit.
I don't know whether you make this stuff up because deep down inside YOU actually feel this way, or you simply need to rant against SOMETHING so you make up your own strawman lie to rant about.
Very lame.
My point:
quote one in these very comments.
"Their purpose in life is to destroy Israel and all Jews."
Quote 2.
Is bombing the crap out of everything in sight is the best way to defend oneself? Worked in Japan.
This should make it obvious that they look at you just as we look at them. Hate breeds more hate and without an attempt a taking the higher ground and finding another way to address the problems of both sides amageddon is assured. I think everyone thinks they are validly trying to defend themselves, way of life or something like that. I'm not in favor of what the radical groups do. They are wrong wrong wrong but the solution of just blow them all up is bound to fail. I guess I have far too much of a spiritual purpose in my thinking to ever be a neo-con.
ron and jim....you guys gotta realize that game is a Faux News addict, and prints their screewball nonsense before looking something up to verify that they might be wrong. Be patient with him, if you dare.
Dont misquote me, either, game. I never said the Lebanese invited Hebullah into their neighborhoods. I said the POLITICAl side of Hezbullah was a member of the ruling coalition.
rhyno, you are spinning so much today your head has got to hurt..
"when liberals say that "hate breeds more hate" like ron just said, that is an indirect way of defending what Hezbollah is doing...
when liberals say Israel is going to far, that they are killing too many people, they are saying that there should be a one for one policy...
Like I said, liberals don't say it as blunt as I do...I take off the sugar coating..."
You are full of it Game.
Since when did you become the arbiter of individual speach? This is a serious problem for you game. And I say that in all humbleness and sincerity. You are so ramped and wrapped up in your beliefs that even what someone directly says makes no difference..Jim made his point that he didn't mean one for one and I made my point that what the radical groups were doing was wrong, wrong, wrong. You ignore that and say that it is not what we said or really ment.According to you we actually ment something different than what we professed. How are we suppose to debate a person with that mindset? You are a "1984" example of brainwashed double speak.
War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, Ignorance Is Strength
Like I said earlier ron, I dont think he even knows it. He thinks stating that a political group having been elected and being a part of a ruling coalition is spinning something. I just dont get it.
Ron--
Violence does not breed more violence. If the number of ceasefires, peace agreements, and negotiations ended violence, the Middle East would be the most peaceful place on the planet.
Sometimes you have to destroy Atlanta or Nagasaki. It creates an incentive never to go to war again.
Jim--
People who read Democratic Underground and DailyKos know that the Dems support Hezbollah. Why do you think Lieberman is being targeted? Because he is pro-choice, opposes the Bush tax cuts, and supports affirmative action? No, it is because he is a Jew that supports the war against militant Islam, a sin among the left today.
Democrats are obviously soft on defense, and it is completely legitimate to point that out.
As Thomas Sowell puts it,
excerpt:
>One of the many failings of our educational system is that it sends out into the world people who cannot tell rhetoric from reality. They have learned no systematic way to analyze ideas, derive their implications and test those implications against hard facts.
"Peace" movements are among those who take advantage of this widespread inability to see beyond rhetoric to realities. Few people even seem interested in the actual track record of so-called "peace" movements -- that is, whether such movements actually produce peace or war.<
>The most catastrophic result of "peace" movements was World War II. While Hitler was arming Germany to the teeth, "peace" movements in Britain were advocating that their own country disarm "as an example to others."
British Labor Party Members of Parliament voted consistently against military spending and British college students publicly pledged never to fight for their country. If "peace" movements brought peace, there would never have been World War II.
Not only did that war lead to tens of millions of deaths, it came dangerously close to a crushing victory for the Nazis in Europe and the Japanese empire in Asia. And we now know that the United States was on Hitler's timetable after that.
For the first two years of that war, the Western democracies lost virtually every battle, all over the world, because pre-war "peace" movements had left them with inadequate military equipment and much of it obsolete. The Nazis and the Japanese knew that. That is why they launched the war.
"Peace" movements don't bring peace but war.<
these guys got to be embarrassed when Jason beats their asses into the ground...well done as usual...I wonder what it would be like to be so wrong and not even know it...
Hope I never know...
Jim, I could do it but I will let you.
As for the other comments. Jason,every single war in anything approaching modern times has ended with negotiations. That is a fact.
Japan was disarmed and has not been threated because we have been fighting for them under above noted treaty. The south is not shooting(yet) but they and you are still fighting the war politically. What do you think all this evil liberal and traitor talk is? Another attempt to civil war and purging. In those times many continued to fight after atlanta. How much common sense does it take to realize that angry people do not have incentive to be peaceful..nor do people whos beliefs are repressed.
As you and sewell noted...One of the many failings of our educational system is that it sends out into the world people who cannot tell rhetoric from reality. They have learned no systematic way to analyze ideas, derive their implications and test those implications against hard facts.
According to the rest of jasons post..Encouraging peace is encouraging war.
War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, Ignorance Is Strength
Jason..I have a purpose in life. I am here to do good in the world even if it costs my life(kinda like Jesus said and did) I Hate religion but I am very spiritual and if you are trying to convince me that war is good or right(admittedly sometimes necessary) or that it should be encourged and not despised or that it is the most "honorable" thing to do I laugh in your face. It is the most horrible, destructive, unpositive thing that man does. And that is an undeniable fact. Or if you are just trying to look like a tough big man you will fail to convince me that you are able to convince me that you go beyond basic instict. With your current ideology I will believe that to that day I die..I live my life to be an example of the beautiful not the ugly. I respect those who do the same.
Game, I have put myself in front of entire communities..some large, some small the better part of my life. I have been loved and hated and ignored..nothing you guys could say could embarass me. I have been through the mill like few have.
Jason couldn't beat his way out of a paper bag. How you could possibly believe we could be embarassed by drivel such as this is beyond me.
The fact that Jim and Ron think that talking could get us through WWII shows how they know nothing, they don't want us to EVER use the military, unless it is again people who have invaded our land...
I'm sure "diplomacy" and "talking" would have taken care of Hitler...oh wait, it didn't...
again, worry about defending child molesters with the ACLU and getting gays married...we can take care of the important things
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