Christmas is a time for giving...
And I once again watched a news story saying a study had been done and it showed conservative states give much more than liberal states, and the religious conservatives give four times more to charity than progressive secularists...
Why is that?
It is a fact, I have seen atleast 10 studies done over the last few years, and every single one of them says the same thing.
Answer:
Religious conservatives believe that people are supposed to help the poor and needy.
Liberals believe the government is supposed to take care of everyone...
Its that simple...
The BS is that liberals get the credit for being giving and compassionate when it is actually conservatives who give on their own free will to charity.
Wednesday, November 29, 2006
A time for giving
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You're serious, aren't you? No liberals I know think the gov't will take care of people - least of all, our CURRENT gov't.
ME
facts are facts...if you don't like the reason I gave for the fact that conservatives as a group are much more giving to charity than liberals, than what is your reason...
you can't have one if you are a liberal, because you have spread the lie that you are much more giving and caring, when the FACTS (oh no!!!) show that you are wrong again...
Medved just had a guest who did ten years studying charitable giving. He found that no matter how you break it down, be by wealth, state, type of charitable target (even when the target is a secular one), conservative people of faith are the best givers, and by a wide margin. Now if I could just remember the dude or the name of his book.
I'm not disputing the facts, Game, I'm disputing your opinion as to why the facts show what they do.
then what is the reason....
also, someone did an experiment..
they had two salvation army buckets...
one at a high traffic area in San Fran...liberal headquarters...
and some place in Idaho..
even though the SF spot had twice as many people, the Idaho location gave twice as much
You can refer to the book, "Who Really Cares" by Arthur Brooks, a Syracuse University professor, who was the guy Medved interviewed. On a side note, he also states that the citizens of the good old US of A give more than any other country. We gave 250 billion in charity last year, an average of $900 for every man, woman and child. A very nice feather in the national cap I'd say.
Good for them if they give more. I would suspect it is because they include church giving and buying band instruments for your mega church doesn't seem like charitable giving to me. Given that I applaud their generousity.
Um did they put the buckets in the tourist area of "someplace in Idaho". Or did they put the bucket in a rural area of San Francisco.
Seems like there might have been other factors beside political philosophies at work here.
Ron,
According to Arthur Brooks, and as I indicated in my first comment, across the board, no matter how you slice it or set the parameters, it always came out the same, that is, that the conservative people of faith always gave more.
Jim,
Go to SisterToldjah.com and you can find the answer to your question. She links to one of Stossel's articles about this. I have another in my local paper, but it doesn't address your specific point. But as I recall, the placement of the buckets were relatively similar as regards the leanings of the general populations of the two sites.
Ron & Jim
No matter how you cut it, what you have here is another example of stereotyping by liberals being debunked for all to see.
I know it’s hard to swallow when the basis of a treasured belief is shown to be totally bogus, but get used to it. You see, the whole foundation of socialism/liberalism is based on false accusations, altered history, and stereotypes. You have to use such tactics because logically debating the issues in the public arena would spell certain defeat every time.
There, there, now, I know it must be hard, what with your belief system being built on sand, but hey you can claim you where just duped instead of being part of the fecal matter that actually promotes and champions such destructive beliefs.
this one is clear cut, no doubt about it...
Conservatives simply are more compassionate and give more of their money...
liberals expect everyone else to take care of the poor...yet liberals have done a good job convincing everyone they are the ones who care about the poor
Liberals do not give THEIR OWN money. They never have and never will.
Remember when it was publicized that Al and Tipper Gore only gave $300 in one year to charity? Al and Tipper are rich Liberals, liveing high on the hog with, at the time, Al's VP's salary, and his holdings he inherited. Remember how Al Gore, Sr. was paid off by Armand Hammer for being such a friend to Hammer's Soviet causes?
pcd, you've branded me falsely as a liberal, but talk about give. I have and still do upon occassion work for non-profit organizations such as the United Way, when the Salvation Army comes out at Xmas time, I give and give to the buckets, give clothes, food, etc. 'til it hurts. I give to friends and family freely and willingly, because I don't like seeing them having to live off the system (ask Game about my grandmother; I'm sure he saw about her at another site). I help support others on a routine, daily basis because of the compassion to want to see others succeed.
I have and do work very hard for my money; I'm known as one of the hardest workers in the region, and employers when they see me apply to somewhere go ballistic, afraid others will snap me up. This is not ego or bragging, it's fact. It's how I got a new job so fast when I decided the last one wasn't for me. It's how I'm now working for an international company, who supports the Ronald McDonald house daily, both professionally and charitably.
Please watch what you say --
To add to that Game, you know that my religious commitments are few and far between, because I don't believe that spirit is in the church-house every sunday. I believe it's in action.
Blamin what we have here in your statement is a total lack of ability to accept the facts. I said that I applaud their generousity you noted noting about this and you decided to smear me anyway. This is why it is fruitless to "debate" right wingnuts.
Like many in the non reich wing I am supporting a family of 4..with no government help by the way... on far less than 30,000 a year. Should I give that money up for my family so I may be seen as more generous than the reich wing? I pay my taxes without complaint for your wacky war I don't support and your star wars idees. I wasn't going to even bring this up but since you are bound and determined to hate me no matter what I say, who cares?
Ronnie boy
I don’t know what you meant in your original post, only what you wrote.
You were definitely being sarcastic, the crack about band instruments, and the comment about “church giving” which is why I made the statement “no matter how you cut it”.
Also, you obviously don’t know what I wrote in my original post, only what you thought I meant. I don’t hate you, pity maybe, based on some of you previous post, but not hate. I don’t always come off being so callous, sometimes I just get sick and tired of the crap and lack of depth.
I could point other factual errors in your last two post, but I’ll refrain, as I doubt it will make a difference.
Family of 4? Less than 30K? NM's looking better and better. I pray things pick up, though.
Marshall, you don't want to go to NM.
Most who are supporting others are doing so to the complete detriment of themselves.
Pay is low, standards are very low, and it just... sucks.
Of which you have our neighbors to the south to thank.
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