Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Your going to listen to me complain

I am a teacher...Most of the time I love it, but more and more, with the children of the Milwaukee inner city showing a complete lack of any concern for learning, respect, responsibility, or just being a decent human being, I find myself more and more tired.

Today I had to get yelled at because kids in my class decided to leave my area to the place THEY wanted to go. In a normal world, this would not even happen. If it did, the students would be punished. But in this world, going after the students is worthless, because no matter what they do, they will not be punished.
Shortly after that, I put my gradebook down to get a drink of water, and someone stole it. It isn't the end of the world for my grades, but the fact that someone would steal it, showing a complete lack of regard for right and wrong, got me mad.
Then we had a basketball game at the end of the day, and the amount of disrespect and fighting that the students showed put me over the edge. These are people you try to help every day, staying up late doing lesson plans, grading papers, buying stuff for your room, and they swear at you, they have been taught by their completely wrong liberal upbringing that they are entitled to whatever they want, whenever they want. No one has the right to tell them what to do at any time, for any reason. It's bullshit.

Then I go to Jay's blog and read this, reminding me how little I am appreciated.

As a work force, teachers are highly educated compared with the general public.

Twenty-four percent of Wisconsin’s working population holds a bachelor’s degree or more compared with nearly 100% of teachers.

Only 8% of the state’s work force holds a graduate degree, compared with 57% of teachers (U.S. Census Bureau 2003, “Status of the Wisconsin Public School Teacher 2004”).

Census Bureau data which measure earnings by educational attainment show that teachers are underpaid compared with private sector workers who have similar levels of education:

The average full-time worker nationally with a bachelor’s degree over age 25 earned $60,664 in 2004—that’s $17,782 more than Wisconsin teachers, who earned an average of $42,882 (U.S. Census Bureau, “Earnings by Educational Attainment,” NEA “Rankings and Estimates”).

The average full-time worker nationally with a master’s degree earned $73,024 in 2004—that’s $30,142 more than Wisconsin teachers earned who have a master’s degree and 10 year’s experience (U.S. Census Bureau, “Earnings by Educational Attainment,” WEAC salary data).

Education Week magazine found that Wisconsin teachers earned $10,000 less than other workers in the state with college degrees (“Quality Counts 2000”).

Wisconsin teachers with a master’s degree earned $17,250 less than other Wisconsin workers with the same degree (“Quality Counts 2000”).

There's more at the link. Let's compare apples to apples, shall we? A highly-qualified, well-educated Wisconsin teacher does not easily compare to your average worker. (First person who says "but you get summers off" gets smacked; I haven't had a summer off since I was 16.) There's also this:

Several types of analyses show that teachers earn significantly less than comparable workers, and this wage disadvantage has grown considerably over the last 10 years.

An analysis of weekly wage trends shows that teachers' wages have fallen behind those of other workers since 1996, with teachers' inflation-adjusted weekly wages rising just 0.8%, far less than the 12% weekly wage growth of other college graduates and of all workers. [. . .]

A comparison of teachers' wages to those of workers with comparable skill requirements, including accountants, reporters, registered nurses, computer programmers, clergy, personnel officers, and vocational counselors and inspectors, shows that teachers earned $116 less per week in 2002, a wage disadvantage of 12.2%. Because teachers worked more hours per week, the hourly wage disadvantage was an even larger 14.1%.

Teachers' weekly wages have grown far more slowly than those for these comparable occupations; teacher wages have deteriorated about 14.8% since 1993 and by 12.0% since 1983 relative to comparable occupations.

Although teachers have somewhat better health and pension benefits than do other professionals, these are offset partly by lower payroll taxes paid by employers (since some teachers are not in the Social Security system). Teachers have less premium pay (overtime and shift pay, for example), less paid leave, and fewer wage bonuses than do other professionals. Teacher benefits have not improved relative to other professionals since 1994 (the earliest data we have on benefits), so the growth in the teacher wage disadvantage has not been offset by improved benefits.

The extent to which teachers enjoy greater benefits depends on the particular wage measure employed to study teacher relative pay. Based on a commonly used wage measure that is similar to the W-2 wages reported to the IRS (and used in our analyses), teachers in 2002 received 19.3% of their total compensation in benefits, slightly more than the 17.9% benefit share of compensation of professionals. These better benefits somewhat offset the teacher wage disadvantage but only to a modest extent. For instance, in terms of the roughly 14% hourly wage disadvantage for teachers we found relative to other workers of similar education and experience, an adjustment for benefits would yield a total compensation disadvantage for teachers of 12.5%, 1.5 percentage points less.

15 comments:

Sarge said...

Students...most of them have absolutely no political upbringing, right, left or otherwise.

Their upbringing tends to be immediate gratification...which is ok, because they're young. And completely, often, irrational.

For them, often, it's not personal, it's not even thought about.

Good luck with that.

back to Tallinn...

peace,

Sarge

Marshal Art said...

Game,

But you get Christmas and Easter vacations off! (Loophole) And Martin Luther King Day, and Presidents Day, and Veterans Day....

But seriously folks.

The main point you overlook with your comparisons is the employer for whom you work. Those of comparable education levels in the private sector are working for profit producing entities and teachers don't. That's why there's such a disparity. Do I think teachers are underpaid? In general, yes I do.

But aside from private schools, what's to be done? Raise our taxes so that every teacher is satisfied? No thank you. Unfortunately, yours is a profession that doesn't lend itself to high wages. Other examples are cops, firemen, soldiers, ministers, etc.

What about that "highly educated" status? In the private sector, it generally means that the employer has a better chance of not hiring an idiot. In education, one needs to know the subject one plans to teach. The sheepskin doesn't hold the same value in business as in education. Many corporations have at their very top, a founder who doesn't have the educational creds as is required of those he hires. To me personally, the diplomas teachers have tell me they have some level of knowledge or expertise in a specific area or two. It has little to do with smarts of the common sense kind. (I'm in schools fixing the damage teachers do to their copiers. Believe me, it's not their brains for which I have respect.)

Pay wise, we have the wrong shit in common. But you have one thing I don't, and that's the joy of actually getting through to a kid on occasion in a meaningful way, as well as the potential to make a lasting impression. You can't spend that at the grocery store, but there's no such currency in my line of work.

As to the REAL currency, the only way we can truly make the big bucks is to do the night school thing and switch careers. OR, spend what time is available in pursuit of something that can be developed on the side. The fact is that our jobs are not conducive to wealth creation, and making room for learning something else is mandatory in order to find something that is. You have the type of career one should do "for the love of" and not for the bucks. Find a way to make bucks on the side so that you can teach for the love of teaching again. The job itself won't satisfy financially because it can't.

Poison Pero said...

I don't know if Wisc. offers charter schools, but here in Phoenix those are the jobs to have if you are a teacher.

They pay better, have more control of their curiculum and the class..........Much more control of the class.

I've had my kids in a charter school for the past year and can tell you the kids in these classes get a superior education, wear uniforms, respect their teachers/principles, etc., and still enjoy school. And the parents of these children realize they must be involved with their kid's education and social upbringing or they will be booted out......All of which is a huge improvement over my first 7 years with my first child in public school.

PCD said...

Game,

Where do we start? The kids are the product of a "Village" that is irresponsible and pushes that irresponsibility. Shows what a Secular Progressive society is.

Your only answer is to quit and move out of Wisconsin.

Ron said...

"Unfortunately, yours is a profession that doesn't lend itself to high wages. Other examples are cops, firemen, soldiers, ministers, etc."

And radio:-).!

I would be happy to see you get more money Game. I think the educational system is really bad now. The main reason is the shitty parents that allow disrespectful kids. I also think a kid will learn better if we find creative ways to show them the joys of learning. Unfortunately you can't do anything like that if they don't sit still long enough to take an interest.
I could bitch about lots of things about my job but the unspendable "currency" Marshall speaks of is being able to enjoy everyday instead of hating it. Few make the big bucks, not even the ones you are speaking of but many find it better than working for a living. :-).

Ron said...

but I am a secular progressive so I am part of the problem huh? Secular Progressives being all for disrespect,running wild and the like.


pcd for republican spokesman!

Anonymous said...

Scorpion says---
Hang in there!It was only a grade book-of 90% of the names in it don't care what you put down anyway.Report to the union rep.which incompetent administrator
yelled about those who left-let security deal with it by calling them immediately.Take care of YOU AND the 10% of kids who do care.Be
very careful not to leave anything really valuable where it can be stolen.Get a student teacher.That
makes two pair of eyes and ears each period in the class.

The Game said...

it is a fact that liberals are for entitlements, and it has been failed liberal social programs that have helped create this permanent underclass that does not have any sense of responsibility...

blamin said...

Ron
Relax, nobody thinks SecProgs are “being all for disrespect,running wild and the like”. They’re just all for the programs and attitudes that create the bad behavior.

Of course, many conservatives in the past have tried to point out the potential for destructive side effects when debating the merits of these programs, but the SecProgs simply call the Cons names (bigots, haters-of-the-poor, etc) instead of engaging in debate. Then when the destructive side effects become reality, the SecProgs ignore/deny the root causes, invent new/mythical causes, and demand even more potentially destructive programs.

Hmmm, I’ve changed my mind; maybe the SecProgs are “being all for disrespect,running wild and the like”.

nvittal said...

Great post! Sorry for what you have to go through with kids! The lack of fear may have lot to do with those kids.

When I grew up, a complaint from school/teacher guaranteed some 'desciplining' at home! :) I don't think that's the case anymore with today's kids! Probably single parents and broken families have a lot to do with it!

Dave said...

I suppose it's like most "inner city" kids nowadays, crack, meth, bling, crib, and glock, are all they need to know for them to "succeed".
Courtesy of the Politically Correct

Anonymous said...

Sorry you had such a shitty day. I do tend to think, though, that the attitude of the kids is more due to the family environment in which they were raised rather than the liberal mentality.

I think PCD is wrong - moving out of WI won't better the situation - there are jackass kids everywhere.

And I think Marshall was right - I'm not disputing whether teachers are well (or even fairly) paid, but those who teach aren't there to get rich. Hang on to the reasons why you began teaching in the first place.

ME

The Game said...

the kids are totally a product of their environment...I was making the point that the part of the reason the environment sucks, and why we have a permanent underclass is because of failed social programs that tell you to do nothing, cause the government should take care of everything for you...
If you don't believe me, come to my school and tell a kid he should pay for his lunch, or pay to go on the bus

PCD said...

I am putting up a post on this up at www.iowavoice.com

Dedanna said...

Game,

I wish I could say something that would bring big aid and comfort to you, but I happen to 100% agree with you in this; have seen it a million times for teachers. I do feel for you big time. I've watched the degradation of society for quite a few years now, in particular with the kids, and it boggles my mind how we have arrived at the point to where kids have become deplorable.

People, what you're not seeing here, is if that grade book was stolen by a student, then some seriously grave things could go down; not to mention the editing of grades by said children. Other consequences include that Game can't now record grades for the kids; either the good or badly deserved grades.

The other thing I'd like to put forth to you, Game, is to reiterate what I've said time and time before: this is why I will NOT teach elementary, jr. high, or high school. I will teach nothing lower than college level. This way I can teach, but for the most part, be able to teach those who actually want to learn. That's the point of it all. Those are the minds you can teach. Why waste good teaching skills on those who don't give a rat's ass?