This story should get you steaming mad.
Dem's get a stupid look on their face when they are credited with helping criminals and hindering the United States from protecting itself and doing its job.
It is liberal groups like the ACLU that inject their mental disorder to create civic disorder.
Liberals are at the forefront in stopping law enforcement officials from getting rid of illegals and doing their jobs properly.
Then they come on here and say that is bullshit, well, here is ANOTHER story of a liberal group trying to hinder the work of police. We can't profile (called being mildly observant), we can't detain, we can't listen to phone calls, if we look at someone wrong they can sue.
This is not a small matter, this is not insignificant...
Liberal disorder slowly eats away at common sense, slow enough that you don't realize it.
Ask anyone with common sense if police MIGHT want to pay attention to certain people who are more likely to commit certain crimes...
So, if for 10 days in a row a guy in a blue Camry robs a bank, liberals would be mad if cops pulled over a few more blue Camry's near banks....
It hurts EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU...don't stand for it anymore...
Tuesday, January 09, 2007
ACLU sues state over detaining illegals
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Seems like the plaintiffs have an excellent case.
Your post on this article refers to several things that are in a different league than this. You say:"We can't profile (called being mildly observant), we can't detain, we can't listen to phone calls".....actually we can and should do all of this within proper guidelines that allow us to maintain our society and the freedom and liberty it protects at the same time.
I have a hard time with these issues because I see both sides. I have to take them on an individual basis. In the particular instance mentioned I don't think it is unusual for the police to ask people for identification. There are illegals that are not brown skinned and one would wonder if he would be suspicious of other non english speakers. Actually the argument that they didn't speak english is probably the best argument of suspicion that would work to his favor. I would say there was plenty of reason to believe here.
The argument is made:
"People in immigrant communities are going to think twice before they contact police if they’ve been victims of a crime, if they think they’ll be the ones who end up on trial.”
A poor nonconvincing argument. People don't end usually end up on trial because they asked the police for help.
The whole issue comes down to government intervention in our lives. In issues like this you and friends want lots of government intervention. Phone tapping,Records access,internet access, you name it. You seem to have no limits. And you are willing to leave it up to the President on who is worthy of that kind of government intervention. That strikes me of insanity. No matter who the president is.
This is one of the cases where I think the ACLU has overstepped its bounds. They sometimes do. But not always in my book.
Is it OK for the police to stop you and your truck full of hunting buddies for failing to signal a lane change and then take you all in under suspicion that you are members of the Timothy McVeigh wing of whatever party?
There are still laws on the books about probable cause and unreasonable search and seizure.
I don't like to have people use the "hate America" thing, the lack of merit on liberal issues is easy enough to attack
Game,
What else do you call it when people incessantly attack enforcement of basic laws, coddle lawbreakers, and condemn those who don't accept that citizenship has rights and privileges accorded to it that non-citizens are not entitled to? Especially the right to be in this country?
I would agree that many, many liberals hate what America stands for and is...(atleast used to represent and stand for...they have been destroying that for a good 30 years now)
PCD, I'd call it honoring the Constitution
Anonymous,
How does violating the Constitution honor it? I'd like to see this example of Liberal lack of logic explained.
Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I haven't read the article yet (and I might not as this is an older thread), but stopping someone who can't speak English and hasn't proper identification IS probable cause to search or detain. At least as long as the reason for the stop is good, a cop should be able to detain anyone until any reasonable questions are answered. I don't think there are that many cops who want to waste time detaining an innocent person, but an illegal immigrant isn't innocent.
Jim, you idiot, the officer DID have probable cause. The officer's action was reviewed and found to be correct and following procedures. Probable Cause is the first thing checked in any review.
Jim, take a ride along in a Milwaukee PD cruiser on Friday and Saturday nights. Oh, yes, the PD does require you to sign a waiver in case "some innocent person" shoots you and your escorting officer.
PCD, what a TOOL you are. I agreed with and have agreed with most everything you have said about illegals including on this story. I said the ACLU was out of line. Yet you still blast me as a liberal america hater. You have such preconcieved notions that even my writing in black and white won't take you off your rageful rants. It is stuff like this that kills any respect I could have for your ideas. It's all preconcived, prethought propaganda.
PCD for Republican spokesman!!!!
Game said...
Liberals are at the forefront in stopping law enforcement officials from getting rid of illegals and doing their jobs properly.
You can take that one step further, and I'm not putting down liberals for what the ACLU does. I slam the ACLU, to whit that the ACLU not only stops law enforcement officials from getting rid of illegals, but they also stop law enforcement from getting rid of murderers, dope dealers, pretty much anyone who breaks the law.
Hello, Jim!!!
You are going to claim that people who are here illegally are protected by our (our, as in people who are here legally) constitution? Good god, go get a life. The day that happens is the day I say burn the constitution and the illegals both, preferably at the same time. This is not an issue to bring up the constitution for!! About the only thing that our constitution guarantees these low-lives is a fair trial, and even that is debatable.
pcd, you really should learn how to read something other than your own posts. Again, Ron actually AGREED with Game, so stfu.
Sometime before I die btw, I'm going to bring up a bill to be passed called "Abolishment of the ACLU".
Now, now, pcd, if you slam me for going that much in agreement with Game, then you truly need to go back to school to learn how to read 'n listen, boy.
BTW: I was more than quite serious about the "Abolish the ACLU" statement.
The Constitution says, "the people." It does not say citizen. It does not say legal resident. It does not say tourist. It says "the people".
The driver was a legal resident or citizen. The driver was stopped for changing lanes without signalling. This is probable cause to ask for drivers license and registration. The officer validated the license and registration and that there were no outstanding warrants. Write the ticke--the end. It is not illegal to carry passengers. It is not illegal for those passengers not to be English-speaking.
What IS the probable cause here?
dedanna,
I support your idea for abolishing the ACLU.
Jim, get a clue. You are doing linguist and logic pretzels to prove your arrogant, preconceived propaganda/
Those illegals were caught fair and square. Get it and live with it.
I say anyone who produces a Consular Metricula card is an illegal and needs immediate deportation.
Caught your ass on this again, Jim. True, 'The Constitution says, "the people."'
When will you wake up to the fact that it is implied as "the people of the United States, and not to every other low-life in the world?
Oh, and duh, Jim, the Constitution was created solely for the people within the United States -- um, that is, the legal ones.
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