I just thought of something today....
That every single movie you have ever seen about an inner city sports team or teacher (true stories) always involve the coach or teacher holding conservative values. That hard work is the only way to succeed. At first the kids fight it because they have bleeding heart liberals all around them lowering the standard for them, telling them it is not their fault they can't get the job done. For God's sake, we have our WI governor Jim Doyle saying that black people are too irresponsible and stupid to have a photo ID to vote! (he didn't say those words, but it was his actions. He will not pass a voter ID bill because it is not fair to the elderly and minorities who do not have an ID....meaning he thinks elderly and minorities are too stupid to get a free ID)
It would be nice to have more Conservative principles put into inner city public schools, maybe after a generation or two things could actually turn around for more kids, not just the few that are lucky enough to have a conservative coach or teacher who fights all the complaining and failing liberalism that is all around them.
Sunday, March 04, 2007
Conservative principles in education
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Scorpion says---
This really is very true. The teachers and coaches who typify these principles have the effect on
kids that truly shape what turns out to be an effective and might I add a competent adult.
That hard work is the only way to succeed.
This is not a conservative value. (Or a liberal one, for that matter.) Don't try to claim it as such.
Jay,
Perhaps not in the superficial sense, but when we see ideas involving things like "self-esteem" as something the kid needs first, as opposed to having it as a result of doing what's necessary to succeed, it's there that we see the liberal influence. (That's not to say that success is necessary for self-esteem, only that one does what's necessary in the attempt to gain success.)
But even more to the point, liberal thought has removed hard work and achievement from child development and replaced it with entitlement and the over-the-top concern for feelings. The removal of red ink, for example, in grading. The idea that everyone wins, when logic dictates that isn't possible in competition.
So yes, hard work IS a conservative value that many liberals also support. The difference is that for libs, it's often enough that one is working hard. For conservatives, achieving the goal is the point and thus equally valued.
Jay, it is a conservative value when coupled with Personal Responsibility for our own actions. This is the difference. Liberals blame everyone else for wrongs and failures when the three fingers pointing back at yourself is the majority speaking truth to Liberalism.
Doyle, doesn't believe in Democracy. He thinks that even requiring the same ID requried to cash a check is too large a burden to overcome for BALLOT BOX STUFFERS!
The fact that Jay doesn't see a problem is why things will never change...
and I guess I shouldn't have said hard work, but personal responsility...that is clearly conservative while making excuses and blaming the man is definately a liberal trait...I hear it EVERY DAY
Game,
Liberals are why the inner city is like a third world country.
Some would even suggest it's intentional.
When you have over 45 teachers convicted of having sex with their students and over 150 off the radar because they resigned, one stats, just this one state, has a problem. Well, what about the other 49?
http://www.wbir.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=25381&provider=rss
Jay, it is a conservative value when coupled with Personal Responsibility for our own actions. This is the difference. Liberals blame everyone else for wrongs and failures when the three fingers pointing back at yourself is the majority speaking truth to Liberalism.
Damn, you guys are a laugh a minute!
PCD-go back an look at your own posts or the posts on the front page of this blog and see who is doing all the blaming. that kettle is pretty black mr pot.
Marshall, I know what you are saying but I don't think the self esteem thing is as big in liberal circles as you think. I agree with you on the self esteem and everyones a winner thing and I think many others of my kind would too. I get kind of upset when I am called a liberal around here and I fit very few of the talking points you are throwing out. I am proud to be a liberal but it has nothing to do with the cartoon you guys have in your head. It is not the world of liberals I know. As person who moves from place to place every few years and someone who has regular contact with the general public I have had the opportunity to meet many of all kinds in all kinds of places. Hard work has nothing to do with conservative or liberal.
Game if personal responsibilty is such a big virtue of the right could you show me where any notable rightie has taken it for any public policy that went awry? Or are you going to pull a pcd and tell me it never goes awry for righties? I hate to tell you but the idea the republicans are the party of personal responsibility is dust in the real world. Blaming the man, blaming the cartoon liberal. No diff. I know you see it on fox news and here it on the talk shows and read it on the blogs...but in the real world people only see excuse making and obvuscating, just like you do on this blog everyday.
liberals blame racism, poverty and even slavery for why the inncer city is like a third world country...it is never the peoples fault...
People need to have hope and the opportunity too succeed. . If they don't take that opportunity that is their loss. Again you misrepresent the liberal belief. At least the ones I know.
It's just blind liberal hate for you guys.
Ron,
Your objections seem to be as cartoonish as the accusations of creating cartoon libs seems to be. Of course I don't know the libs with whom you run. But as to the remarks regarding the downside of lib policies, it's pretty evident.
Example: I bring up again the concept of self-esteem. There indeed has been a push by the left in education and child-rearing in general that kids need to have their fragile egos stroked. The elimination of red ink in grading school work and scoring in sports has been a liberal idea thought to protect the self-esteem of kids. I look at it this way: we are each of us born with one credit of respect in our cups---SELF-RESPECT.
That's all we get. Additional credits are earned. We cannot demand respect and some believe that we can. Those are ususally liberal thinkers. Ask your lib friends, as well as yourself, should T-ballers all get trophies at the end of the season, or should only the team with most wins get one? If you answer the latter, good for you. But some think the kids too fragile to end the season as less than winners. It is said that such a policy causes problems in adult life by never learning how to lose and what to do to recover from it. This is not something conservatives would dream up.
You say people need hope and the opportunity to succeed. We on the right believe that hope is a choice as is happiness. There's always hope. And opportunities are always available if people seek them out or create them for themselves. It's the liberal school of thought that says hope and opportunity MUST be provided for all. Even if that was possible, how can you make the horse drink?
And that's what we have with our current educational system. The hope and opportunity is already there. The students have to grab it and run with it. But the way it is provided is a result of liberal thought as well. Liberal thought removed corporal punishment. Liberal thought removed ALL punishment, at least punishment that mattered to the kids and their parents. That has to change and a conservative line of thought would restore some, if not all of that punishment as well as the clearly understood notions of achievement and the pride that should go with attaining it.
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