Well, its nice to see the President act like a conservative from time to time...
I love the flat out stupid notion that some crimes are worse than others because of the motive...
Oh, you killed that guy because you felt like it....40 years...
You killed that guy and then called him a faggot....80 years...
Stupid
Crime is crime...
This is the liberal idea that certain people are victims of society and the government needs to treat them different and special...
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Bush Pledges to Veto 'Hate Crimes' Bill if Congress Passes It
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Stupid me.
I always thought that it reeeeeeally showed hate whenever you killed someone.
Game, I guess then it's stupid to hav a distinction between first degree murder, second degree murder, and manslaughter, since motive doesn't matter.
Marshall, last I checked preaching drivel was not against the law.
That is your argument Jim...do you ever directly address the issue, EVER...
You can't because your position is based on emotion and not common sense as always...
Show how "hate crime" legislation makes sense...
That someone should get double the sentence for killing someone because they "hated them"...how fucking stupid...
Gee, Game, I don't know. Why don't we ask the legislatures and governors of the forty-three states that have criminal penalties for hate crimes. They must all be pretty fucking stupid.
And by the way, where was my emotional argument that you allude to? Apparently any position contrary to yours is by definition "emotional".
Jim--
Two points.
1) Federalism. The 10th amendment is still part of the Constitution, last time I checked.
2) Free Speech. The 1st amendment is still part of the Constitution. Disliking a group of people, however reprehensible, is not criminal.
I know a lot of people think the Constitution is a living document that can be used to advance any agenda, so I know this argument will fall on deaf ears.
hate crime legislation and the people who want it ARE emotional...because if you are using your brain or common sense you know that it is wrong
Do McGee's comments on his radio show about the death of Charlie Sykes' mother constitute a hate crime? I think they do. Judge for yourself.
http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/news/13254969/detail.html
"Marshall, last I checked preaching drivel was not against the law."
In those places where hate crimes legislation such as this is law, preaching "drivel" has indeed resulted in legal action. That's the whole point of it. (You should brush up on some "drivel" yourself. It would improve your point of view.)
What the hell does this have to be with the First Amendment? I don't see anywhere that this law is about hate speech. It's about committing a crime against a person where the motivation is hate based on race, sexual orientation, ethnicity and so forth.
Jim--
If someone spray-paints a swastika on the home of a Jewish family, is the vandalism the crime, or is the vandalism and the hateful feelings the crime? If the latter is the case, then we're charging people with thoughtcrime, a development any fan of liberty will find disturbing, no matter how many states march toward our heroic socialist future.
Jason, are you confusing feelings and motive? There is a difference.
Jim--
But what is the motivation?
As the definition on the wiki explains,
"Hate crime laws in the United States (also known as bias crimes) protect against crimes motivated by feelings of enmity or animus against a protected class."
This is easily extended in defamation cases to hurt feelings, as we have seen in other Enlightened countries like Sweden where you can go to jail for criticizing homosexuality, Muslims, and other "protected" groups.
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