Now, I want to start this off by saying that I think there is NOTHING wrong with this...
But that would be in a conservative world. A country where people are truly free to do what they choose.
But we live in a liberal PC world. You are not allowed to say what you want, do what you want, and form groups with whomever you want...
Could there be an all white-softball team?
No
Why is it that only blacks or women or Hispanics can have exclusionary groups?
Well, the answer is the mental disorder that is liberal PCitis....
People like to form groups and partnerships with the people they choose, people who have common interests, wants and needs...
Liberal PC says that you can't do that, because you make people feel bad and you are not being fair to those whom you keep out...
We could make a huge list of times this has happened...
For now, I have to get to teachin', so we will see what you say
Monday, May 21, 2007
Tigers the first and only all-black girls Little League team
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From the story:
Because they are Beckum-Stapleton's only girls team, this season the Lady Tigers are competing against teams from the North Central, Grafton and Germantown leagues.
I'm probably not willing to put actual money on it, but I'd make a gentleman's bet that at least some of the teams from Grafton or Germantown are indeed all white.
Did you read the article? It says nothing to indicate the the team was deliberately developed as all African American. It says more than 20 girls tried out for the 15-girl squad. It would not be a stretch to believe that this team, based in Milwaukee where the vast majority of children are African American, is all-black because that's who showed up. I doubt it was "exclusionary" at all.
hmmm,
I wonder, if 15 white of 20 girls that tried out for the tennis team in Allsurbubia, USA were picked would there be a problem? What if the last two picks were really, really close based on talent and experience, but the coaches went with the white girls?
Nooo, I'm sure there would be no problem whatsoever. Because I know that liberal screachey wheels are consistent :-)
Not that I'm saying there's any problem with the Tigers.
If it was my school I'd just say "pick the best", gasp! (ya, ya, I know, I've no concept for "the good of society", there's just no telling how a diversity of backgrounds could improve the team, don't ya know!)
Your points are well taken Jay, but consider this: The Journal felt it important or noteworthy that the team is "the first and only all-black girls Little League team." Is the Journal not color-blind? Apparently not if they felt this needed to be publicized. So, would they or did they do the same for the first all-white girls team, or simply the first all girls team?
the race card stuff is crap...
The correct comment was made, the best girls should be picked-period...regardless of race or sex..
Jay, would you say that is what happens in the PC world...
I'll go ahead and give you the correct answer
NO
You know, there's a simple solution. Email the reporter of the story. Call the league. Ask whether any of the six or seven girls who didn't make the team were not black.
Did I say talent shouldn't take the day? No. What I said is that you shouldn't assume the team was "exclusive" of non-black girls. You jumped to a conclusion that was not supported by the facts. I merely pointed it out. Jeez.
jay,
you miss the point, if there was even one white girl that didn't get picked, if the "pc" world was consistant as game would say, that woud be considered an abomination!!!
Talent don't matter, nor experience. It's all about diversity don't ya know.
But you are correct, if no white girls tried out for the team. No foul.
Except for one thing. If no white girls even tried out, then that's a sign of descrimination in and of itself!!! (if we're going to be consistent here)
Let's get real here. The JS pirnted the story because to their white guilt-ridden selves, baing the first ALL BLACK team was the hook they cared about. If the team weren't all black, there would not have been a story.
If ther paper was as color blind as the paper demands the rest of society be, then there would be no story.
Jay, you want to see black racism, watch the movie, "The White Tiger". You might learn something.
I suppose the JS will be there when a Racine Little League fields an all Hispanic team.
blamin, I have no idea what you're talking about. If no African American girls tried out for the team in Grafton, I wouldn't be surprised, and I wouldn't call it discrimination, either. There just aren't many black girls in Grafton.
Same thing for Milwaukee, but in reverse.
Would I prefer if the Milwaukee metro are were not the country's second-most racially segregated? Of course. But I'm not going to whale on a bunch of softball teams for forces outside of their control.
What's upsetting is that you and the Game are using these girls to make a political point against a straw-man opponent--without regard for the actual facts of the matter.
If the team weren't all black, there would not have been a story.
Duh. That's why it's news. This team is a man-bites-dog kind of story and, therefore, makes an interesting news item.
their white guilt-ridden selves
The story's author is not white. Nor are a number of the editing hands it went through before it hit the front page.
I suppose the JS will be there when a Racine Little League fields an all Hispanic team.
I would hope so. Or at least the Racine paper.
You want to come down from you high horse now?
Jay, remember, I personally don't care if this team exists...
I'm pointing out that ONLY certain groups are allowed to segregate?
Would you agree?
It is very true liberals focus and thrive on dividing people into groups...
black vs white
poor vs rich
young vs old
This is just stupid.
Let me ask a question: My first year of teaching, I taught in a suburban (exurban, really) Milwaukee high school that was all white. I mean, all white. Not a single student who was not of European descent. This year, I have had, out of about 200 students, exactly one student who is white.
Which of these schools is racist or exclusive?
The answer, of course, is neither. That exurban school did nothing to keep minority students out, and the school I'm at now does nothing to keep white students out. It is entirely a fact of geography and demographics. (Again, demographics which I think we should all be concerned about, but demographics nonetheless.)
I don't think the educational experience of the children at either school is as full or as complete as it could be. There is value in diversity in and of itself. (The way my Hmong students and my African American students approach certain texts, for example, is very different--and the discussion of those differences often sheds light on the texts themselves, helps the students see them in different ways.) No doubt the Tigers would have a richer experience as a multicultural team, and no doubt the same could be said for any of the (probably) white suburban teams.
But there are several things about this discussion that make me say that this is stupid: One, The Game and others of you leapt to the conclusion that this team must have been exclusionary; in other words, someone actively sought to kep the team all of one race. That assumption is not supported by the evidence provided, and unless one of you does the necessary legwork to prove it, it never will be. Truth is, you pick any 20 random girls in this city, and most will be black. In some parts of town, almost all would be. The opposite could probably be said about Grafton or Germantown. That this happens is not indicative of any exclusionary activity on the part of the teams, coaches, leagues, parents, and so on.
The second is the surprise that something historic is newsworthy. But these girls have done something never done before. Why can we not talk about it, or celebrate it for what it is--an historic achievement? When you read the story, you get the sense that a significant part of what makes this story special is that previous attempts to organize teams among central-city girls had failed. What we've got here is a Good Thing: urban youth finding meaningful ways to spend time and develop leadership, athletic and interpersonal skills. Would you have rather have had another murder be the front page?
Third is the notion that because I (or anyone else) am "liberal," I must either be outraged at the existence of this team or a hypocrite. This is a classic false dilemma, lazy reasoning on your parts. I (or the newspaper, or the community, or anyone) can both celebrate the success of this league and this team and be concerned about socioeconomic factors that have led to the point where an attempt to put together a softball team in a major urban center yields only African American players. I can both be proud of the work that the coach and others have done in thas case and despise groups that actively seek to discriminate against people based on race, sex, sexual orientation, disability, and so on.
I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense to you. But I refuse to play your stupid games.
Oh, and bonus points to anyone who spots the false dilemma I used in that post . . .
jay, I’ll tell you what, when you pull your head out of the sand, we’ll talk about straw men.
THE GRAFTON CHRONICLE
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NO MINORITIES ON LITLLE LEAUGE TEAM
By Sho’da B Outraged
GRAFTON – One sad, little African American girl has seen her dreams crushed. And it happened in our own back yard.
But she’s not complaining.
“Yeah, I didn’t even try out for the team, but I sure would like to play someday.”
That day may never come, because Shaleakua is the victim of an insidious form of racial discrimination, namely Discrimination of Discomfort or DoD. Yes, little shy Shaleakua has never even played softball, because she was afraid some of the girls (all Caucasian!) might make fun of her if she dropped a ball or struck out. “I really would like to play, but I can’t stand the thought of everybody looking at me if I were to mess up.”
The Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson plan on holding a press conference in town square, tomorrow at 1:00 pm. “Our people have suffered for far too long to allow practices such as this to remain in this day and age,” said the grimacing Sharpton. “We are going to demand action by the federal government to address this abomination” said the spotlight seeking Jackson.
When interviewed, Coach Whitey of the Grafton Swans said “I think there’s probably only 3 or 4 girls of color, in the proper age group, in the whole town, and one of them is handicapped.”
A spokesperson from the rainbow coalition read this statement to the press: The fact that Mr. Whitey doesn’t even know if there is 3 or if there is 4 girls of color in the 12 to 14 year old age group is proof positive of DoD in this community. Reverend Jackson and Sharpton will discuss their plans for remedying this injustice tomorrow, at which time plans for allowing the handicapped to participate in the sport of softball will also be discussed.
The Grafton Chronicle has learned from an inside source that one solution to the problem of not enough diversity, will be to bus girls of color in from other towns to play on this team. “The infrastructure is already there via the public schools, with a small multi-million dollar grant the nightmare of DoD can be ended in this community,” said our double secret inside source.
The Chronicle will keep you posted.
jay,
You wrote "But there are several things about this discussion that make me say that this is stupid:..."
"One" - Man did you miss the boat. If I have to take the time to explain it to you then I'm afraid your "head is stuck".
"Second" - I agree with you on this one.
"Third" - hypocrite is exactly right, for those of power on the left. But again, yet again, like you always argue... you're (and most(?)other liberals) nothing like or don't believe the same things as those you support.
Frankly, I'm tired of that argument. If you support them, you’re one of them. If you were a Lib for a few years, and then changed your views after witnessing the almost catastrophic damage done by the lefty philosophies, I maybe could over look your indiscretions. (Not that I have any illusions that you or any other lefty cares what I think, now that I think of it that’s kind of a basic tenant of lefty belief isn’t it, this not caring about judgments of others.)
blamin,
How did I miss the boat? The Game wrote, "Why is it that only blacks or women or Hispanics can have exclusionary groups?" I wrote that he "leapt to the conclusion that this team must have been exclusionary" despite no evidence to suggest it. I'd say that puts me right square in the middle of the boat.
Your "Chronicle" bit is the very definition of a straw man! You invent a fantasy, and then attack me based on the fantasy!
Look, I would concede the point that I'm hypocritical if, and only if, I or others had raised holy hell about any all-white softball teams, and how those teams were "exclusionary." Fact is, I didn't. No one has. I described those teams as probably all white and said, basically, that I was okay with it!
You've invented an imaginary "liberal" who, in your fevered mind, is busy complaining about all the "exclusionary" teams in the league and then blasted me for being that guy. I'm not. No one is. That's the point!
Do I have to draw you a picture?
jay,
You're joking, right? OK, I get it, your sitting there thinking "I'll throw out any ridiculous argument, just to see what his response is".
You know good and well what game's argument is. Your attempt to discount his argument of baseless discrimination charges by demanding a specific example in little leauge softball is ludicrous!
He was simply illustrating the absurd with the absurd, as they say. Jay, I know you're not a stupid man, so apparently you forgot to turn off the libweenie filter before visiting this site.
There are literally thousands of baseless discrimination charges pertaining to thousands of subjects, topics, or situations every year. And it's to the point that many people (both Republican and Democrat) are becoming numb to the charge. It's the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf fable replaying itself over and over ad nauseum.
I live in a mid-sized city that is approx. one half white and one half black. The city commission is one-half white, one-half black. Guess what happens when there is a disagreement?
I bet you think I'm going to say the black commisionors claim discrimination much of the time when they can't agree. Wrong! they claim discrimination EVERY time there's a disagreement. You heard me right, every, single, time.
And that little wolf story is a direct result of liberals. Who once again are hurting those, by making legitimate claims of discrimination seem suspect, those whom they supposedly are trying to help.
So it's okay just to make stuff up about a bunch of little girls because a government body (horrors!) can't function?
Whatever.
jay, the dodge ball champion strikes again! You are the man!
"...It read like your average righty blog, only with [better spelling]." -brackets mine.
"But I'm not going to [whale] on a bunch of softball teams..." -brackets mine again. *snicker*
couldn't resist.
you miss the point jay...your example of where you teach/taught has nothing to do with what I am saying...
I'm talking about groups that choose who they have as members..and I never said this team was one of them...I'm using the story to bring up a bigger point...
Hillary Clinton today said that the sky is blue. I would have to say right in the beginning that there is nothing wrong with this. But it is a great example of how all Republics are psychopathic liars.
There, I think I have provided an excellent example of Games' logic.
Jay, thanks for proving that there is intelligent life on this blog.
Marshall: whale2 [hweyl, weyl] –verb, whaled, whal·ing: to hit, thrash, or beat soundly.
has jim EVER addressed the actual issue of any post...he can't because he is ALWAYS wrong, his brain sets up a defense mechanism to prevent him from discovering he is always wrong...how sad is jim and his mental disorder
Touche, Jay. Your usage suggested to me "wail" as in, to whine or rag on a bunch of softball teams, etc etc. Now that I think of it, I don't think I've ever seen the spelling you used in print before meaning what you meant. I sit corrected and a tad more educated.
Game, I not only addressed your issue, which is absolute nonsense, but expanded upon the "notion" proving that Republics are psychopathic liars in the very same way you attempted to demonstrate that liberals have a mental disorder.
To all that post on this page. You should all be proud of the girls. Reading something positive about young black girls should be given a round of applause instead of criticism. I see one way or the other nothing never changes you still have to find fault. You can never say anything good.
Some steps had to be taken and maybe these girls will pull more young ladies together and become role models toward something good and as you would say it. (THAN JUST HAVING BABIES)
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