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52 comments:
Um, it's a child? Maybe you've seen one before? I didn't think they were all that rare.
Chet must live in the inner city, where dressing your kid like that is the norm. Or maybe he immigrated from Palestine.
It's so much worse than this
Kids play dress-up. I don't understand what the big deal is. I had a whole suit of armor and a cardboard sword as a kid.
Yes, putting bullets on your toddler to make a political statement *is* worse than dressing up your kid as Spider-Man for Halloween. I don't know anyone that would dress up their kids as a, let us say, a Hamas terrorist for Halloween.
Well, except Rosie and you people, of course.
Well, we now know Chet is a hard core left wing drone...not even the morons who go to her web site liked this pic...
Chet and Jim are to the Left of Rosie...wow
Well, we now know Chet is a hard core left wing drone...
Nice ad hominem, but I'm actually a former Bush voter and Republican conservative who became aware of the intellectual bankruptcy of both movements.
You know, if you're interested in what's true. I guess it's just easier to snipe at someone who's been proving you all wrong for three days, now.
chet--
I come from the other perspective, voting for Nader in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.
Why did I change? One, I believe in human rights and liberal democracy, and I'm not certain why people feel the need to defend dictators and dark age religious fanatics.
Secondly, my knowledge of economics broadened. I used to believe people like Noam Chomsky, who in the 90s argued Eastern Europe would become a 3rd world colony for the west. Instead, we see countries like Estonia (which has implemented a flat tax) having 9.8% GDP growth, 1.3% inflation, and 4.2% unemployment. When theories don't fit the facts, one should reject the theory, not the facts. Which is what I did-- neoclassical economics explains more with less.
One, I believe in human rights and liberal democracy,
But here's the thing - so do I, and I can't see where conservative policies have been successful in promoting those. Instead of human rights we have American soldiers torturing cab drivers to death. Instead of liberal democracy we're creating an Islamic regime in Iraq.
Your allegiances don't match your morals, that I can see. If you were concerned about those things you'd be over here on my side.
chet--
In 2004, the Democrats told me they were committed to fighting a better war on terrorism. I believed this line, and feel like a dupe for it today.
I didn't know this better war on terrorism included putting the Gitmo terrorists back into circulation, letting Iran have the bomb, repealing the Patriot Act, and abandoning the democracy in Iraq. Today's Democrats have gone Pat Buchanan on me, both on foreign policy and on economics.
In 2004, the Democrats told me they were committed to fighting a better war on terrorism. I believed this line, and feel like a dupe for it today.
Why?
Jason, are you posting from an alternate universe? Who do you think won the 2004 elections? I don't understand why you think Democrats had the chance to do anything between 2004 and 2006. Exactly what branch of government did you think they won in 2004?
I didn't know this better war on terrorism included putting the Gitmo terrorists back into circulation, letting Iran have the bomb, repealing the Patriot Act, and abandoning the democracy in Iraq.
Again, I don't understand. Who do you think has been president since 2004? All that stuff has been the Bush Administration. The White House just announced that they're going to release 80 prisoners from Gitmo. People who were held even though there was no evidence of any terrorist involvement. (Some of that hasn't even happened. USA PATRIOT is still very much in force and still very much being misused by law enforcement - and we're still committed to standing in the middle of sectarian crossfire in Iraq.)
Are you one of those guys who wants to "double Gitmo?" I've never had anybody explain what that means. We have more people in Gitmo now than are guilty of any terrorist activity or involvement. What would doubling Gitmo entail? Just throwing random people in prison?
I thought you were concerned about human rights.
I didn't see anywhere in the link where they're releasing 80 prisoners. What I did see scares me more. Why the hell is anyone in the administration so worried about "how it looks" to the world? Their only concern should be the protection of our people. It seems there are even more Republicans who are forgetting their conservative roots for expediency. We don't need to explain ourselves to any foreign country. But if they feel the urge, simply invite representatives of all those who are whining and show them the freakin' place. Everyone who's gone there and really checked it out have come back with a better attitude about it. And people should stop with the bullshit about trials for these people. They are freakin' prisoners of war who have been captured acting in a manner that is in conflict with the very Geneva Convention to which everyone insists we adhere. Never, in any war previous, have prisoners been tried or set free while the war still raged. And yet, here we've released people already. So STFU! These bastards should be happy that WE are their enemy. They've never had it so good.
In addition, no one's throwing random people into Gitmo. If we need the room for more Islamic scumbags, we need the freakin' room.
But actually Chet,
I'd be interested in whether or not you're referring to conservative philosophy, or just how certain Republicans apply it. Between the two major philosophies driving our politics, it's the one serious and intelligent people should follow.
Wingnuts....it's a kid PLAYING.
Sad that this is newsworthy to you, but 3500 US soldiers killed for Israel somehow doesn't seem to rate.
Ah, folks, Hash is a delusional Israel hating far leftie who frequents the Radio Equalizer's board. He deeply hates capitalism and anything representing non-Marxist thought. He is also an extreme jerk.
Now, I don't know why Rosie isn't getting a visit from Child Protective Services. She's nuts and her mental illness is harming the children.
My new early morning comedy is really becoming more enjoyable with
the addition of the terrific tripe
being spewed by comical Chet.Welcome! The jumbled one certainly must enjoy your support. I know I do.
I can't believe someone can go from being a well reasoned human being voting conservative to saying the completely stupid crap, stright from the liberal blog talking points that Chet uses...
You got bitch slapped on the Ann Coulter bias story, and will continue to show your lack reason on a daily basis...
Lets see, how much do these comments contribute to debate:
It looks like a completely accurate news story, as long as you're not looking at it through the lens of your immature schoolboy crush on the Coultergeist....Here Chet is unable to see how the AP writer clearly mislead the reader in the first paragraph, and all Chet can do is make a childish attack...
Comment #2: If you don't care about helping people - and it's pretty obvious that you don't...Here Chet is using his emotional liberalism...which proves you can't switch from being a conservative to a liberal this quickly. Liberls think that everyone needs the govt to help them...and it is because of liberals that we have groups of permanent poor. They THINK they care about poor, but it is their social programs that guarantee we will always have helpless poor people. If you really cared about poor people Chet, you would be a conservaitve.
Stupid comment #3: On the other hand - if you hate the poor and want them to die...again, proving his comment about being a conservative and voting republican are a lie...more emotional ramblings...
Dumb comment number #4: Medical malpractice claims have essentially no effect on health care costs, and indeed, very, very few of those claims are at all frivolous...here Chet shows he has no sense of reality. This is a common symptom of liberalism...just like Jay who thinks the Wisconsin Universal health care plan is just fine, yet will cost 15 billion dollars a year...
Comment #5 Personally even one person denied lifesaving treatment because they couldn't afford it is too many.....awwww...that sounds so cute. You want health care, go to school, get an education, and get a job with health care...People make their own choices. I worked hard and have health care. Lets starts raising taxes a few more trillion dollars to make sure we give more people stuff for free...that is the Chet way.
I could continue, but I have a job and need to go to it...
"Non-Marxist thought"? Give it up, fudgie.
Now, what is so peculiar about a little girl, with TWO brothers, to be playing around with war toys?
Am I the only one to question why you'd find this a serious rap against Rosie as a mother?
Unless, of course, it's just another excuse to bash Rosie....
In addition, no one's throwing random people into Gitmo.
So those 80 guys who are just going to walk out of there, no charges?
What was that, exactly? Are you saying that the Bush administration is just releasing dangerous men?
I'd be interested in whether or not you're referring to conservative philosophy, or just how certain Republicans apply it.
I learned that there's actually no such thing as "conservative philosophy." For conservatives, there is only power - getting it, keeping it, and using power to extend power.
That was one of the reasons I became a liberal.
I could continue, but I have a job and need to go to it...
Game, if you have rebuttals to my arguments, why don't you make them in those threads? Taking me out of context here doesn't prove anything at all except your own inability to address my remarks on their merit.
Hashfan (I could use a bowl myself),
What's confusing is any kid playing with war toys whose mother, er, father, uh, whatever, begins her banshee-like, ear-piercing whine any time gun rights are discussed. The bitch is anti-second amendment and she's dressing her kid up in that outfit? It's a political statement and the dear child doesn't look old enough to even understand her sartorial choices.
Chet,
Law enforcement often detains or arrests innocent people and release them after they're satisfied they got the wrong guy. What's so hard to understand here? So they took in 80 suspects that turned out to be innocent. Sounds like the process is working. You have no fuckin' idea regarding the criteria for detaining people in a war zone where the enemy looks like civilians (on purpose). Nor do I. Give the people risking all a little freakin' slack.
"For conservatives, there is only power - getting it, keeping it, and using power to extend power."
That's funny, considering it describes today's Democratic Party. I'm beginning to think it's true that you never were conservative. I know that doesn't concern you, but it clears things up for our side.
Law enforcement often detains or arrests innocent people and release them after they're satisfied they got the wrong guy.
Of course, the difference is that while you can only be held for a short period of time before bail must be set, these 80 people were held - on no charges - for several years.
So it's not exactly the same thing, now is it?
So they took in 80 suspects that turned out to be innocent.
I'm sorry, I thought the conservative line was "everyone at Gitmo was picked up from a battlefield." "Everyone at Gitmo is a terrorist - that's why they get sent to Gitmo."
It seems like, if you're admitting that "suspects" were held who were actually innocent, you've just destroyed the two main conservative talking points. Gratz, I guess.
Give the people risking all a little freakin' slack.
For imprisoning innocent people for years? For torturing some of them to death?
That's quite a bit of "slack." Does "cutting" a torturer/murderer some "slack" constitute respect for human rights in your book? It doesn't, in mine. I understand that global terrorism presents unique law enforcement challenges, but the proper response to those challenges isn't to overturn 200 years of American respect for human freedoms and dignity.
That's funny, considering it describes today's Democratic Party.
Except that it doesn't. Honestly, stop being ridiculous for a minute.
I'm beginning to think it's true that you never were conservative.
You're 100% wrong. I know it's hard for you to believe but I was a conservative - until I started digging into things myself and not just letting Rush and Hannity tell me what to think.
I recommend you start doing the same.
I have a job and a life, I post when I can...
Hash,
Unfortunately for you, Rosie has a paper trail where she wishes to disarm America. She doesn't want any citizen to have guns, except her bodyguards. So why would a gun hater dress her kid up like that except to make a hypocritical political point?
Hash, go back to Jordan. You can hate Israel at much closer quarters.
"The bitch is anti-second amendment and she's dressing her kid up in that outfit?"
Uh, no, she isn't, and, no, she didn't.
Are you so divorced from how real Americans live, that you've never seen a kid strike a cute pose with a brother's toy, and wanted to photograph it, just for the irony, and the purity of what kids get themselves into?
"Unfortunately for you, Rosie has a paper trail where she wishes to disarm America. She doesn't want any citizen to have guns, except her bodyguards."
So? A liberal and/or a lesbian has less of her right to speak her mind than you do?
"Hash, go back to Jordan. You can hate Israel at much closer quarters."
Fudgie, over 3500 US troops and close to a million innocent Iraqi lives speak volumes as to whose lives I'm looking to spare, and whose interests you are working for.
chet -
I guess i've never, ever let Hannity (who i neither watch or listen to) or rush (who i dont listen to) tell me "what to think."
This line seems right out of the leftie playbook.
Newsflash, chet (chitchat): you are still a follower.
with the addition of these new liberals, we have a lot more of the playbook and talking points...shame, I thought there were a few liberals who could have original thoughts...not rehashed shit from the 60's
"close to a million innocent Iraqi lives"
do you have a source, or are you going to just say s**t?
i love how all these numbers are "estimates" that we need to accept as fact.
chet--
At the time when many Democrats voted for the war in Iraq, I opposed it. I argued while there are some reasons to do it, the WMD argument was manifestly false, and the politicians weren't being honest about the commitment that would be involved to make democracy work with barbaric Muslims. In addition, if the politicians knew something I didn't know about Saddam's WMDs, I pointed out that airstrikes would have been sufficient to take them out.
But as I talked with more and more Democrats in the anti-war movement, I noticed there was a big difference in my argument and their argument. They saw the United States as a great bully, and people like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as champions of social justice. Even airstrikes to keep nukes out of the hands of suicidal Mullahs would be unjust, I was told. To make things worse, people were telling me the Palestinians were strapping bombs to their kids not because of religion, but because of us. I was like, WTF?
Keep in mind, John Kerry went over to Iran, signed autographs for the Ayatollahs, and then called the United States an international pariah. I'm embarrassed I voted for this guy, and we have to accept that some people actually do hate America.
hash--
Iraq Body Count, certainly no friend of the Bush administration, puts the number of deaths caused by the war between 66,500 and 72,800. This in itself is a huge number, so please, spare us the hyperbole usually found in Wackacademia.
Jason, were you homeschooled as a child?
hash--
I went to a Lutheran school from K-2, went to government schools from 3-10. My parents were so fed up with the government school they did gave me the option of homeschooling or college. I enrolled at the local community college and earned an Associate's Degree at age 18. This worked out so well they did this with my sister at age 14, and she now has a Master's from Yale.
This line seems right out of the leftie playbook.
Newsflash, chet (chitchat): you are still a follower.
Uh-huh. Who am I following, exactly? Liberal talk radio being essentially dead on its feet, and all. (And the so-called "liberal media" being anything but.)
Why isn't this girl dressed in pink? Dear God, somebody get this girl a Barbie! Quickly, before the universe implodes!
Thanks for your remarks, Jason.
At the time when many Democrats voted for the war in Iraq, I opposed it.
I wish that I had. Instead I was one of the millions who was duped by a concerted effort to mislead the American people.
I suspect most of the congressional Democrats saw through it, but in the months following 9/11, there simply wasn't the rhetorical space to put forward an anti-war stance that wasn't based on the inherently anti-American arguments that you describe (and that I too detest.)
They saw the United States as a great bully, and people like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as champions of social justice.
I'm familiar with the admiration of Chavez as well as with his ambivalent-at-best record on human rights. I'm not familiar with anybody who has put forward Ahmadinejad as some kind of civil rights hero, so I think you're exaggerating a little bit.
But again, that's a fringe. That's not the Democratic party. And remember that under a Republican president, at his behest, our soldiers are known to have tortured more than 20 people - at least - to death while in custody. I don't think that qualifies us for any humanitarian awards.
Keep in mind, John Kerry went over to Iran, signed autographs for the Ayatollahs, and then called the United States an international pariah.
We're not at war with Iran, and anything we can do to keep them talking keeps us from being mired in yet another Middle East hellhole.
we have to accept that some people actually do hate America.
Isn't that what Kerry was saying? That not only do people hate us, our actions have made more people hate us?
Nobody flies airplanes into buildings in Toronto. It's not anti-American to recognize that our foreign policy has consequences. I don't think, at this point, there's any mollifying terrorists - but our actions have not created sympathetic allies.
The more you write, Jason, the more I see we're in such agreement - which is why I find it so puzzling that you're over there on the Republican side. I don't understand what could possibly have happened between 2004 and now that could have left you with more confidence in the leadership of Republicans. Everything that's happened since 9/11 has proven that they had the wrong ideas to lead our country.
chet--
There is a huge difference between a secular atheist do-gooder like Gorbachev, and a fundie nutjob straight out of the dark ages like Nasrallah. Socialists are what Reinhold Niebuhr called children of the light-- they mean well, but their comprehensive plans inadvertently get millions killed. Fascists in contrast are children of darkness-- chaos, death, and destruction are on their agenda.
Islamic Supremacists, Islamofascists, whatever one wants to call them, are not singling out America. They've killed over 2,000,000 people in the Sudan. Over 50,000 people are dead in Kashmir. Thousands of people are being killed by terrorists in Thailand. They've massacred schoolkids in Russia, bombed trains in Madrid, bombed buses in the Philippines, killed hundreds in a disco in Indonesia-- this is a global problem.
Consider Iran. Their holocaust denying leader says that he is leading the final jihad against the infidels at the end of times. His stated *goal* is to bring about the Apocalypse, so the 12th Imam will come back at the end of times and make Islam reign on Earth. He has promised to wipe Israel off the map repeatedly, and if one knows anything from the Iran-Iraq war, the Mullahs have no problem killing large numbers of their own people for theological goals.
Yet people insist that America is the problem, and if we give dangerous people talk and reason, they will like us and the world will be safer. While I find the Pat Robertsons and Bill O'Reillys of the world repulsive, the moonbat idea of giving dictators and theocrats the Neville Chamberlain treatment can only be a recipe for disaster.
So I'm faced with the dick/pussy/asshole choice from Team America. Yes, the yahoos need to be more judicious in their use of force. Absolutely. But the current crop of Democrats are pussies-- the age of the Truman, JFK, and LBJ is no more. My position is like Lieberman's -- our foreign policy needs the carrot AND stick -- not just the stick like Bush, and not just the carrot like Jimmy Carter.
"My position is like Lieberman's.."
Well, of course it is.
Ya know, I've heard it said that there was a death or two as a result of "torture" by our people, but twenty? Some support please. I've never heard this amount before and I keep the radar out for this shit. Really, give me a link. A description of the torture would be helpful as well since the left considers yelling to be torture.
"So it's not exactly the same thing, now is it?" No, it's a freakin' war. War, where never before those taken off the battle field were given trials, and where those out of uniform were shot as spies. Here, they live in better conditions than their homes in most cases, and then they're released. The ones who are "tortured" are those with reasons to be. Give our people some credit, Chet. If you think they're indiscriminately torturing everybody, then you're just goofy. But here's a clue you can send out to those in the Mid East: if you're innocent, stay the fuck out of the war zone!
"I'm sorry, I thought the conservative line was..." you thought wrong, at least about THIS conservative. But I'm sure that's what you guys like to believe about us.
"Except that it doesn't." Yes it does, perfectly. That's evidenced by their lack of ideas througout the Bush admin while only criticizing his, as well as their complete obstructionist antics from the day he first took office. Don't pretend it's been otherwise.
"I recommend you start doing the same." Thanks, but they simply tell me what's going on. I decide what to think. And between conservative and liberal philosophies, I'm not stupid enough to be a liberal. As to the two major parties, you can have them both, but as I must vote, I can't let Dems take office without a fight.
Hash,
"Uh, no, she isn't, and, no, she didn't."
You must have great hash (that isn't cornbeef hash, is it?). Uh, yes she is, and I refer to the shitfit she had in debating with Tom Seleck on the issue. She doesn't think honest law abiding citizens should have guns. And yes, I'll bet she did as the kid looks too little to pick out such an outfit and "pose". I doubt she even knows what she's wearing. It's cute the way you defend Rosie though. You must like 'em chunky and loud.
hash--
Well, if the Democratic Party is now officially pacifist, I want nothing to do with it.
Jason, I don't for a moment classify the Democratic Party as "pacifist". I do believe that the Democratic Party (at the moment) still places America's interests over that over other nations, particularly when the necessity for military action and loss of American life, civilian and military, is concerned.
I do not, in any way, believe that the PNAC/neocon-dominated Republican Party does, not for a minute.
It's a question of intent, as well as participation.
Marshall?
If you can dislodge the syringe out of your arm before you lay back into your bathwater and sink into the inky blackness....you might want to take notice of the fact that, apart from the belt, there is nothing about the child's outfit that is particularly militaristic.
Perhaps a bit faux-bohemian and pretendy-ish, but that's the way some parents dress their kids in this part of country, and CHILDREN AT PLAY frequently play dress up and act like grownups (look at Fox News)....
"....Tom Sel(l)eck...."
I am personally not anti-gun but let's just say your choice of intellectual allies is telling.
Hate America Hash has a problem with America having a self interest:
"Jason, I don't for a moment classify the Democratic Party as "pacifist". I do believe that the Democratic Party (at the moment) still places America's interests over that over other nations"
Hash, are you so demented that you believe other nations have a right to self interest and America DOES NOT???
Hash, you are delusional if you can't see the Democrats as the Cut and Run party.
"Hash, are you so demented that you believe other nations have a right to self interest and America DOES NOT???"
Nice try, fudgie.
Read my statement again.
I APPROVE of the Democratic Party PRECISELY because the Democratic Party puts America's needs OVER the needs of other nations, as the Rethugs do.
I am not looking to bring on any "rapture". I'm looking for my government to meet its obligations here at home...
For me, the govt has the obligation to do things people CAN NOT do on their own...
Like form a military
Build roads
thats about it...
people can feed themselves, get a job and raise children...those are things the govt should not have started doing...and now that they have, they will always have a larger and large groups of people who depend on them to live...that is sad, and that is not what you should want...
Hash,
You say "neocon" like it's a bad thing.
Do you even know what a neoconservative is? Nothing more than an ex-liberal that's seen the light, and those that agree.
…apart from the belt, there is nothing about the child's outfit that is particularly militaristic.
Yes, but an ammunition belt makes a pretty strong statement doesn’t it? Kind of distracts from the rest of the outfit. Jeez, are you for real? Or just a make believe moonbat Game has created to entertain us?
Blamin',
Hash is a moonbat that has trolled over here from "The Radio Equalizer"'s board. He's far left, a whacko, hates Israel and capitalism, and wants to cut atd run from the War on Terror that his white flag is in shreads from the wind speed of his running for his parents' basement.
Don't blame game for him. I think he followed me over here.
Oh, I don't blame anyone, he's highly entertaining! I hope he becomes a permanent part of this blog!
I just wish he, and people like him would be broadcast across the (unbiased) networks, every election time. Damn, the libweenie’s party would be in tatters faster than that white flag you referenced.
All kidding aside – I do thoroughly enjoy your ranting Mr. Hash
"If you can dislodge the syringe out of your arm before you lay back into your bathwater and sink into the inky blackness...."
You must be mistaking me for one of your own family members. Perhaps it's the one you see in the mirror every morning (if indeed your image reflects), for one must be shootin' up something to thing that anti-2nd amendment Rosie is a better "intellectual allie" than a Tom Selleck (simply by being conservative he is smarter than you or Rosie). And it must be really good shit if you would consider Rosie an "intellectual" anything!
Typo correction:
" one must be shootin' up something to thing" -should be "think" of course.
"intellectual allie" -should be "ally"
Upon closer inspection of the photo, it appears that the child's outfit that is supposedly not particularly militaristic is a camo design. I believe the gray camo is for urban areas, if I'm not mistaken. So as you were saying, "you might want to take notice of the fact that, apart from the belt(and the fatigues), there is nothing about the child's outfit that is particularly militaristic."
hash--
"I APPROVE of the Democratic Party PRECISELY because the Democratic Party puts America's needs OVER the needs of other nations, as the Rethugs do."
I think you're right about this. The Republicans are better defenders of human rights these days, and have a less parochial view of the world. The Democrats have gone Pat Buchanan on me, and I'm glad I made the switch.
Going isolationist only gets you Pearl Harbored or 9-11ed. How many times do we need to learn this lesson?
"The Republicans are better defenders of human rights these days..."
For a select few, perhaps.
The Republicans are better defenders of human rights these days
I don't think the practice of sending people detained on the most flimsy of evidence to secret prisons in Eastern Europe to be tortured constitutes a good record on human rights.
Anybody who would say that Republicans have the better record on that is just poorly informed. I suggest you do a little more research, Jason, and you can find out exactly how many innocent people the US government has tortured to death to "defend human rights."
The Democrats have gone Pat Buchanan on me, and I'm glad I made the switch.
That's just nonsense, Jason. There's a difference between opposing this fruitless war of adventure that costs 40 American lives a week and opposing all engagements on foreign soil.
Democrats were behind the War in Afghanistan, particularly to bring a murderer of thousands to justice. What's the Republican track record on that, exactly? Last I checked OBL was still a free man, thanks to explicit orders from George Bush.
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