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24 comments:
Who killed the electric car? Who killed the metropolitan rail systems of the 1930s and 1940s? Who killed nuclear power in the US?
without having time to look it up, environmentalist have killed nuclear power...
We should tripple the number of nuclear power plants...
without having time to look it up, environmentalist have killed nuclear power...
I suspect it's not that simple. If Europe, especially France, is as liberal as you say, why haven't environmentalists killed nuclear power there?
As far as nuclear power in the US, who had the most to gain and who had the most to lose from a conversion to nuclear power in past decades? Who really had the power to block nuclear power? Greenpeace?
Okay, get some debate going, without ANY negative or personal attacks...
Stick to facts...
Lets see if you can do it
without having time to look it up, environmentalist have killed nuclear power...
Huh?!
Without time to look it up President Cheney and his puppet have completely thrown our constitutional principles and reputation in the dumper.
Ah, socialist fairytales, in the usual conspiratorial style.
As far as nuclear goes, such issues aren't about personalities, but economics. No one is literally blocking nuclear power. Economically nuclear may simply not be viable on its own, though it must be said the current regulatory structure in place in the United States dramatically inflates capital costs. It isn't like Europe is socialist in all ways-- they'd be in the dark ages if that was the case. Europe does a lot of things right-- for example, corporate taxes there are usually lower than the States.
As far as electric cars are concerned, here's a review of the stupid electric car flick by someone with a brain.
Eeeelectric cars!!!
Yah, that's the ticket. For every electric car sold, one step closer to nervana!
AaaaaEeeeh Alabacar (or is it aaaeeehclubcar?)
And YOUR suggestions to being free of Mideast oil beyond drilling till it is all gone is?
Jim, Jay, Chet, Ron, and pHillip are all paritsan Democrat hacks.
(Just picking up pcd's side of the debate.)
Look! An undeniably emotional attack from right here in my neighborhood! And it happens to be a republican. Facts are hell.Republicans have emotions too.
Here.
yep, as I suspected Jason. No ideas except drill til there is none left.
Ok Jason, that was a snarky quick answer. I am just dumbfounded that this needs to be explained.
Remember we are in a global economy. A huge portion of the world gets its gas from Saudi Arabia or Russia. If those terrorists blow up or do some missle attacks on Saudi(where they fit right in) oilfields and/or refineries the SUPPLY goes down. This means the DEMAND for the remaining oil will raise the price. When it costs a truck 6 or 8 dollars a gallon to get goods to your stores in your town the price of those goods will go up astronomically.
So what is the answer.
1. We could initiate military action and try to stop them.
2.We could see how we could find ways to survive without needing much oil.
The latter seems to hold vastly more benifits than the former.
Why is the White House blocking the testimony of former Rove aid Sara Taylor before the Senate Judiciary Committee?
ron--
You specifically remarked about being free from Mideast oil. We already are independent from Mideast oil-- the USA has greatly diversified where it imports its oil since the 1970s.
Here's the answer. Let the consumers decide what gets produced. You guys believe in empowering people, pluralism, live and let live and all that good stuff, right? Well, as the price rises, people will adjust in ways they see fit -- which will probably be a combination of living closer to work and buying vehicles with improved fuel efficiency. I don't need some pompous jackass like Al Gore telling me what I can drive and can't drive. And the subsidies to agribusiness giants politicians are pushing lately -- I'm surprised more people don't see right through this.
"Who killed the metropolitan rail systems of the 1930s and 1940s?"
Does this sound familiar:
"...miles and miles of glistening concrete..."
It was an insane toon, ya fool! Haven't you ever seen, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" Gosh, considering most of your other sources, how did you miss this one?
Democrats want to tax and spend the country into ruin.
Dingell is proof: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/07/washington/07carbon.html?ei=5090&en=2360b6693500bdb8&ex=1341460800&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print
Why aren't Democrats even moderately honest and admit they are Socialists and want to turn the US into another Socialist Hell?
Why is sibel edmonds under a gag order?
We already are independent from Mideast oil-- the USA has greatly diversified where it imports its oil since the 1970s.
No, I think Ron just made a very good case that, despite not directly importing very much Mideast oil, we're not at all independent from it.
Seems like you ignored that case, Jason. I would have expected that from marshall or PCD, not so much you.
chet--
Again, the price of oil is not an issue. If the price rises, consumers will adjust. Subsidies and tax breaks to corporate giants definitely is not the answer. I thought you guys were against corporate welfare, but I guess not if we rename it energy independence.
pcd, first of all, your link doesn't work. Try embedding it; copy and paste
<a href="">Dingell</a>
and place the long NYT url between the quotation marks.
Second, I issued you a challenge here (scroll way down) and I want to know whether you'll take me up on it.
Third, if you had the faintest idea of what socialism really was, you wouldn't say such stupid things. Socialism is not high taxes. Socialism is not environmental regulations. Socialism is not making sure every American can go to the doctor. Socialism is not making sure that the government can't listen to my phone without a warrant. When you label everything socialism, the word itself loses all of its meaning. As an English teacher, I care very much that words retain their meaning, as that is the only way humans are able to communicate effectlively.
As an English teacher, I care very much that words retain their meaning, as that is the only way humans are able to communicate effectlively.
That is what PCD is afraid of. Effective communication quickly shows how bankrupt their ideology is, thus the need for the "Clear Skies" and "Healthy Forest" initiatives and other forms of Orwellian doublespeak.
Again, the price of oil is not an issue.
Maybe you're independently wealthy and so for you this is true, but for the rest of us, the price of oil and gas remains very much an issue. An issue tied, intimately, to the Middle East.
What the hell are you talking about?
Well, stuff like this:
I've got a nice big box of "kiss my ass" for ya, buddy.
That is to say, playground personal attacks completely lacking in any substantive argument.
Chet,
So you're gonna use my cool rejoinder as an example of your previous uncool shot at ME? How does that work exactly? I've been generally cool with you, pal. What's the matter? Can't take a little dig now and then? You think you're somehow untouchable when another is trying to keep things light? Are you some kind of pussy or something? I got news for ya, Sally. You ain't nothin' special. Don't pretend otherwise.
"Socialism is not high taxes. Socialism is not environmental regulations. Socialism is not making sure every American can go to the doctor. Socialism is not making sure that the government can't listen to my phone without a warrant..."
Ah, you're technically correct, but it is most definetly a means to an end! It's all about giving the voters a, "power to the people" mentality, while actually giving more power to the government, in essence creating a ruling class that "knows what's best" for the plebs.
Excuse me if I don't believe a bunch of people who've failed contless times "knows what's best" for me.
So you're gonna use my cool rejoinder as an example of your previous uncool shot at ME? How does that work exactly?
Examples of you being crude, insulting, and evasive support my characterization of you as crude, insulting, and evasive.
That's how it works. Pretty simple, I would have thought.
I've been generally cool with you, pal.
I don't care how "cool" you think you've been; what I care about is the fact that you don't respond with intelligent argumentation. Regardless of how "cool" you think it is to tell me to kiss your ass, that response doesn't address a single substantive point.
It's all about giving the voters a, "power to the people" mentality, while actually giving more power to the government
I don't understand how it gives more power to the government when you restrict the government's power to eavesdrop on its own citizens.
Maybe that's just something that relies on the "up is down" mentality that underpins conservativism.
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