Sunday, July 15, 2007

How much of the country is Right vs Left

Don't look it up, take a guess.
What percentage of the country says they are Republicans vs Democrats...based on Rasmussen Reports...
I'll give the answer tonight.

26 comments:

Jim said...

Democrats - somewhere between 45% and 50%

Republicans - around 35% to 38%.

steveegg said...

Question before I answer; are you asking what the standard bias built into every Rasmussen/Harris/Pew/Gallup/Zogby (not Interactive) poll, or what Rasmussen measured in a poll asking what the country is?

If it's the former, it's 38% 'Rat, 33% "independent" and 29% Pubbie.

steveegg said...

I did look up the latter (so I won't post just how far off the assumptions made by the pollsters as well as Jim's guess are), and I'm shocked, SHOCKED (much like Captain Renault) that Rasmussen didn't do a story on the latest poll.

The Game said...

I was asking what his last poll said, not what his biases in how many of each party his asks in his polls...and don't give hints steve

hashfanatic said...

Why is it hard to understand that normal Americans hate the Rethugs, given everything the neocons have done to destroy America?

Do you suppose it is enjoyable to have to be frightened of your own government?

jhbowden said...

Let me get this straight, hash. You want to put the Clintons back in charge, who killed 73 American citizens in Waco Texas using "diplomacy." And you're afraid of our government because we're making war upon terrorists in places like Ramadi.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

And people who worship Jimmy Carter are claiming America, with healthy GDP growth, stable inflation, and low unemployment, is "destroyed?" You need to lay off the Kool-Aid.

Chet said...

who killed 73 American citizens in Waco Texas using "diplomacy."

Wait, what? Those people belonged to an apocalyptic suicide death cult. If they had been Muslims instead of Christians, and it had been Bush instead of Clinton, you'd have hailed the exact same action as a victory in the war on terror.

And people who worship Jimmy Carter are claiming America, with healthy GDP growth, stable inflation, and low unemployment, is "destroyed?"

As wage growth continues to lag behind inflation, people are making less than ever before. That's why it feels like a bad economy to so many people - because it is.

Jay Bullock said...

You want to put the Clintons back in charge, who killed 73 American citizens in Waco Texas using "diplomacy."

Setting aside the factual error (most of them killed themselves in the fire they set), I'd still rather have that than Bush who was killed 3500 Americans by abandoning "diplomacy."

The Game said...

Here is the problem, you guys say things that are so stupid it makes no sense to debate them.
Anyone who thinks Carter was a better President than...anyone can't debate anything.
And what have Republicans done to destroy America?
Liberals have created entire groups of people that must live off the government to survive, I think that is pretty destructive.
And I simply asked a simple questions and instead we get the stupid liberal crap that makes me sick

Jay Bullock said...

Liberals have created entire groups of people that must live off the government to survive,
Well, no, those groups were always there. Liberals have created programs to efficiently provide the services these people need so that they do not starve to death in the streets.

Six of one, half-dozen of . . .

Oh, and Game, the thing is out now with the thing. You can pick up a copy at the places.

Realism said...

So let me get this straight -

Welfare is bad because it causes people to become dependent on our government and it drains their initiative. If you are taking care of the people who have problems, how are they ever going to develop or express the motivation to do it for themselves?

It is better to give people a hand, a push toward self sufficiency, if you will, and then make it clear that the rest is up to them...

For charity, faith based religious groups in their local area are way more efficient than the wasteful federal government for providing aid.

Does that sound about right?

Realism said...

So, why are you so intent on providing welfare to the Iraqis?

We have given them the "helping hand". If we continue to sit there and babysit them, the will not "develop or express the motivation" to get their government in order, develop their military, and restore basic infrastructure and services.

Why should they take a serious role in putting down the insurgency and getting their act together if they can just nurse at the bloated teat of the U.S. Federal government, funded by us?

If welfare is so bad for our poor people, why do you insist on forcing it on Iraqis? Do you have some kind of subconsious racist belief that they are incapable of being successful?

Instead of using the wasteful, inefficient federal government to help them, why don't we let them turn to their Muslim brothers and sisters for help? Perhaps then the terrorists would have to put up or shut up about the 'defending their Muslim brothers against western imperialism' crap.

If welfare is so bad for the ghetto, why is it the only solution you can provide for Iraq

jhbowden said...

Bush, along with Edwards, Hillary, Kerry and others who authorized force against Iraq, didn't kill 3,500 Americans anymore than Abraham Lincoln killed 600,000 people in the Civil War, or Truman killed 30,000 people in Korea. Losing people in a war is not a reason to fear your government.

The claims of fearing our government and simultaneously rationalizing the Clintons handling of Waco in 1993 is laughable. The Clinton Administration handled that horribly-- they could have busted Koresh at the local grocery store or gas station. Just because I don't agree with religious nutjobs does not mean I advocate their wholesale slaughter by the federal government.

On another note, Inflation, unemployment, and GDP growth are not only healthy, real compensation, when you include all of the benefits, is also rising.

Lastly, we are obligated as human beings to leave Iraq in one piece. Many liberals complain about civilian casualties that have been incurred so far. I share the concern. If the liberal concern is genuine, then liberals will care about leaving Iraq in a way which ensures the current government's stability. This isn't about some stupid pre-school program or pork in some Congresman's district-- this is about whether people live or die, along with the future of millions of people to live in freedom. To compare this to pork at home is a parochial mentality that is also shortsighted and unethical.

The Game said...

Thanks Jason, good call...
And realism, you are correct in what you say in the beginning...we should give people a helping hand...
But liberals do not do that...they CONSTANTLY make excuses...
Joel McNally did it AGAIN this week on TV...blacks and Hispanics don't go to jury duty because they are poor and everyone is racist..
You MUST start seeing the difference between a push in the right direction and making excuses and creating an entire group of people who feel they have to do NOTHING at all as a part of society...and liberals help them be that way with hand outs and excuses...and I sometimes think you are correct realism...maybe we are being welfare for the Iraqis...okay?
Jay...I am scared to read your article...I hope you didn't get me in trouble...
and the answer that almost none of you answered...
32% Republican
36% Democrat...

capper said...

Ok, now where to start?

The economy is doing great...if you're already rich. The Republicans don't have the best track record for the economy. Remember the little things called the Great Depression? That is what caused the poor people that needed the welfare to survive. The Repubs had control for the ten years before Black Friday.

With Iraq...well, it would have been better to have a valid reason to invade. It would also have helped to have a plan. But that's not short-sighted, eh?

That aside, we are there now. Yes, if we pull out now, there will be chaos. If we pull out in ten years, there will be chaos. If we pulled out in a hundred years, there will be chaos. The point being is that these sects have been at war for generations. Hoping to force them to get along is like trying to force Israel and Lebanon to get along. Ain't gonna happen. Diplomacy is the only chance, and I personally have doubts about how likely that'll work. When a group of people have that long to work up that much anger, it's not going to change, escpecially not by the use of force. Oh sure, you may get some to go along superficially, but that's it. This is proven by the extraordinary amount of Iraqi police that moonlight as sectarian militants.

And finally, yes, Jason, Clinton, Kerry and most everyone voted for the war...based on what Bush told them. And yes, it was insurgents, terrorists, or whatever label that you want to use, that pulled the trigger and killed the soldiers. But they (our soldiers and al Qaeda) wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for Bush's decision to decrease the pursuit of bin Laden for this poorly planned, poorly executed fiasco of a war that has no rhyme and no reason. That puts Bush accountable for the deaths of our troops.

Chet said...

Lastly, we are obligated as human beings to leave Iraq in one piece.

Not if the Iraqis want it in three.

Yes, if we pull out now, there will be chaos. If we pull out in ten years, there will be chaos. If we pulled out in a hundred years, there will be chaos.

It's chaos now. How could an American pull-out make it worse?

hashfanatic said...

"It's chaos now. How could an American pull-out make it worse?"

In chaos, the Rethugs can STEAL (witness the 30-year oil grab contracts of Iraqi oil, and the US embassy complex being erected, that is the size of the Vatican...)

They have no intentions of EVER leaving.

"That puts Bush accountable for the deaths of our troops."

The Bush Crime Family doesn't give a damn about American troops dying.

What do you think the Dream Act, unfettered immigration, and open borders are about? It's about rounding up enough wetbacks as mercenaries for citizenship, to limit the amount of American families personally touched by the war. That's also the reason for the extended deployments that are causing soldiers on leave to pay to have themselves shot, for they consider those consequences preferable to going back to Iraq again.

Meanwhile, if projections materialize, a million innocent Iraqis will have been exterminated by Labor Day.

As I said, read PNAC.

This whole scenario was part of the neocon agenda from day one.

All you need to know is that the war in Iraq was based on a lie, and the rest of the pieces begin to fall into place.

The Game said...

okay, the looney left is here in full force...
Yes, yes, were are there to steal the oil...okay, I'm done laughing now..until I go to the pump and see that we are not stealing enough oil I guess...
And yes Chet, I'm sure if we leave Iraq will not get worse...what the hell is wrong with you?
It is NOT chaos in Iraq right now...is it great, no. Why do liberals have an ability to see things in the worse light, why are you always so negative. I feel sorry for you guys. You must be depressed all the time.

Andy said...

I'll cut through the clutter and simply guess. 45% Dem, 30% Rep., 25% Ind.

the boodge said...

Besides killing crazy Christians in Waco, TX, the Clinton's also detained a young boy, an illegal alien, at gun point to send him back to COMMUNIST CUBA to be with his father!

Realism said...

Methinks someone is trying too hard to prove how "manly" they are.

What's the matter, booge, did your top ride you too hard last night?

Chet said...

And yes Chet, I'm sure if we leave Iraq will not get worse...what the hell is wrong with you?
It is NOT chaos in Iraq right now...


Not a day goes by that you don't hear about a bombing attack that leaves hundreds dead. Iraq has lost between 10-20% - or even more, no one's really sure - of its population to people fleeing violence.

When our soldiers aren't repelling attacks from insurgents, they're under fire from the Iraqi police forces they've been training. Almost every single construction project has been forced to suspend operations because of the constant threat of violence. Of course it's chaos.

And yes Chet, I'm sure if we leave Iraq will not get worse...

How could it get worse? Honestly. What could happen in Iraq that isn't already happening?

Sectarian conflict? Check. Indiscriminate violence in the streets? Check. Iraqis fleeing in droves? Check. Supposed "allies" turning on American troops? Check. Breeding ground for terrorism? Check. Saudi Arabia and Iran duking it out with proxy armies? Check.

It's not going to get worse because it can't get any worse.

You must be depressed all the time.

As they say, ignorance is bliss. Part of growing up is understanding that its better to face a sobering reality than to hide behind comforting fantasies.

Besides killing crazy Christians in Waco, TX, the Clinton's also detained a young boy, an illegal alien, at gun point to send him back to COMMUNIST CUBA to be with his father!

Oh, I'm sorry - I thought that's how conservatives wanted illegal aliens to be treated. The government has deported far more children under Bush than Clinton ever did.

The Game said...

I already answered the question...36-32 Dem

The Game said...

and real classy guys...
boodge...I LOVE to have more conservatives here, but I would suggest a little less name calling, that is the job of the liberals

Andy said...

Game- Sorry. I missed your post that gave the answer. I skipped over the "my daddy can beat up your daddy" posts and your answer was intertwined with them.

As far as the insults go, I'd say it's a fair shake on the blog.

Marshal Art said...

How much of the country is Right or Left? Easy. Not nearly enough on the right, and far too many on the left. There, question answered.