Monday, July 30, 2007

Racial tension in summer of 1967 fueled deadly violence

I ask you, after 40 years of social programs, how are things better in the inner city. Since the answer is that they are not better, the next question is, Why not?

Posted by The Game at 8:17 AM

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16 comments:

RAG said...

Since you asked.

First, racial discrimination is wrong. Morally wrong. Legally wrong. Violators should be severely punished. That's why many of us fought for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and its progeny.

So the government did and must do what it was and is still bound to do: enact and enforce the law.

That said, the government can't change people. The community is the way it is because this is what the community tolerates. If the community desires change, then it must come from the community -- person by person, house by house, block by block and so on.

It's like the diet I need to be on. I should lose weight. I need to lose weight. The government isn't going to help me lose weight. They can shoot $100 bills my way and it won't help me lose weight unless I undertake the initiative needed for diet and exercise, etc.

The only people who can change the community are the people in the community. They may need our help along the way -- that's fair -- but the initiative must start from within.

July 30, 2007 11:00 AM
Realism said...

Because the same factors that created the ghettos are still occuring.

Contrary to popular belief, the ghettos were formed by the migration of low-skilled manufacturing jobs out of the cities to the suburbs and to the south. With them, went the more affluent whites as well as most of the affluent blacks, leaving mostly poor black people.

July 30, 2007 4:42 PM
Marshal Art said...

Not quite true, Realism. As the article stated, discrimination in housing and other "legal" discrimination was still in effect at the time. This exacerbated problems already in play regarding low-skilled workers and such. But today, a different reality exists in that the level of racism is nowhere near as profound. Yet, the claims by some that it is remains high for some. This is only to cover the real problem of self-imposed culture of entitlement and victimhood. The cause of this mentality is no longer worth discussing since it's such a lame paradigm to which anyone should adhere. The reality of today is that it doesn't much matter where one is raised if one desires to achieve, one can do so. This reality needs to be constantly preached (everywhere in this country actually) and excuses cannot be tolerated. It is the duty of every citizen to abide the law and push himself to achieve. Should one choose to skate through life, one must understand that with that choice comes consequences of which only that one is responsible. For the last twenty-plus years I've worked for companies that have employed people from all ethnic backgrounds with no preferences whatsoever. I've worked under people of a variety of backgrounds and the only thing that mattered was how well they played the game of the given company. The game may be on the up and up or just kissin' ass, but whatever the requirements of success were, these people met them. The race card needs to be removed from the deck and replaced with the lazy card. Or the stupid card. Or the whiner card. I'm sure racism exists, but not to the extent that anyone needs to concern themselves so much with it. There are simply too many opportunities where racism isn't a concern that where it exists shouldn't easily thrive.

Why are things not better in the inner city? Because there are not enough people who think to themselves, "I'm gonna find someone who's successful and do what he's doin' no matter how much it sucks, because that's what I need to do to be successful, too."

July 30, 2007 10:34 PM
The Game said...

perfect...and a thought not shared by liberals...which is why things can never change...

July 30, 2007 10:51 PM
Chet said...

But today, a different reality exists in that the level of racism is nowhere near as profound.

Oh, come the fuck on. Have you forgotten already that I showed how an applicant with a black-sounding name is less than half as likely to be called in for an interview as someone with a white-sounding name?

Racism is alive and well. Are people being strung up in trees? (Well, yes, they are, just not as often, thank God.) To assert, as Tony Snow does, that "racism is gone", is just utter nonsense. It's a lot less about "them lazy niggers" and still a lot more about racism against blacks. I mean, that's just incontrovertible.

July 30, 2007 11:13 PM
Scorpion said...

I was getting off the bus at 16th and Lincoln Avenue the evening of the "peaceful" march across the 16th street viaduct,18 years old, a
freshman at U.W.M.Father Groppi and
his "militia" were turning left to go east on Lincoln Avenue,heading for speeches at Kosciuszko Park. I
had my books in a gym bag,and four of his "soldiers" left the march to find out what I had in my bag.They wanted my gym shoes,or any
athletic wear I had worth taking. When they saw only books they wanted "donations" for their cause,
or they were going to take it out of my honkey ass.I said go ahead and give it your best shot,as I was keeping the four bucks and change I had in my pocket.I was then pushed by a hard working Milwaukee police officer over to an elderly gentlemen who led me into the corner bar away from the beating I was going to get,and was
going to hopefully,return in full.The officer moved the "soldiers" back into the parade line while they spit in his face,cursed him,and shouted "peaceful" slogans.I watched from the window as a rock hit the glass.The elderly gentlemen who I didn't know,but basically saved me a beating from these "peaceful" non-violent marchers,handed me my book bag,and reminded me how important those books really were.He saved my books
for me.He then reminded me that we lived in an area just as old and run down as the area being marched from,and work hard with these books every day to improve my own future.I never forgot his words.The
Milwaukee urinal articles certainly
bring back some sad memories for that honkey who didn't have enough valuables in his bag to satisfy four "peace" marching "soldiers" of
Father Groppi.Just thought I would add an account of what was really going on from someone who couldn't get home during the "peaceful" march to the rally site.

July 31, 2007 7:47 AM
The Game said...

Welcome back the race card holder Chet.
But it is nice to see people like Marshall who have a clue and understand the way the world is, and how things can get better. It is people like Chet who will make sure minorities continue the liberal tradition of learned helplessness.
Scorpion shows that most racism, especially blatant racism happens to whites.
And hash, next time I write something and say that liberals are race card holding idiots who like to blame everyone else for the problems of the inner city, cite Chets comments

July 31, 2007 8:13 AM
Chet said...

It is people like Chet who will make sure minorities continue the liberal tradition of learned helplessness.

They hardly need to "learn" it when they're having it crammed down their throats with the support of people like you, game.

Scorpion shows that most racism, especially blatant racism happens to whites.

What, with one made-up example? Come on, Game.

July 31, 2007 10:23 AM
hashfanatic said...

Game, you're unsuccessfully trying to yoke the problems of affirmative action to the problems of violence in the inner city, but they are no longer necessarily linked.

It's not possible to blame the problem of poverty to violence in the inner city, because most of the troublemakers are no longer destitute.

What has to be asked is: have the basic goals of affirmative action been accomplished, and is what is now being sought actually preferential treatment?

Has the resentment that these perceptions breed amongst everyone else in society created an environment where an entire city full of blacks can be washed away by floodwaters, and a large number of Americans are either apathetic, or actually regard it as a heaven-sent urban renewal program?

Are black parents in the inner city (and now, in the emerging suburban black neighborhood) doing an adequate job of parenting, versus 1967?

Has the thug culture of depraved violence, contempt for white cultural norms, and profound disrespect for American institutions and norms, created a new racism that is a survival mechanism and entirely understandable and justifiable?

Are urban dwellers of ALL races exhausted of these issues taking up an inordinate amount of their consciousness on any given day?

This is what has to be considered. And, contrary to popular opinion, the individual issues are NOT inextricably linked. We collectively have to admit that it's possible to have have conflicting positions, that may have been traditionally considered "liberal" and "conservative", because the need for solutions transcends the limitations of the mindsets we've employed before.

July 31, 2007 10:47 AM
The Game said...

Hash, good questions and points...I think it would take about a month to really get into why the people in the inner city act and think the way they do.

July 31, 2007 12:05 PM
The Game said...

Here is your made up story:

Later in 1965, he returned to Milwaukee, where he began organizing protests against the segregation of Milwaukee public schools. Later he lead fair housing marches across the 16th Street Viaduct (since renamed in his honor) spanning the Menomonee River Valley. The 1/2 mile wide valley was considered to be a symbolic divide for the city.

(the only thing wrong was the year...two years off, otherwise a completely true and accurate story) from wikipedia

July 31, 2007 12:07 PM
Scorpion said...

I stand corrected....I AUTOMATICALLY thought of 1967 along
with the new Milwaukee urinal story
about the rioting,rather than the march across the viaduct being 1965. That means my TRUE STORY about the RACIST "soldiers" of former father Groppi happened even before the" peaceful" demonstrators took their violence even farther.The situation wasn't a
highlight of my teen years and certainly isn't enjoyable to recall
forty-two years later.It is sad to see that anyone would call such an incident made up.But when your incompetent tripe stops being comical and virtually ignores a step by step account of what was going on in neighborhoods that were
similar in their poverty,but different in their ideas of what was going to happen.There were African Americans living on my block in 1965.There were Hispanic neighbors too.(can provide names of these neighbors--but when you don't want to hear it ,comatose one,I won't waste the space.)There were many whites living in predominately minority neighborhoods in 1965 just as there
are today.Some kept their property
and stayed with their changing neighborhood just as I do today.So the inaccuracy was blending the violence of this story with the violence of the "peaceful" protest marches of two years earlier.Still,the situation I had was only one of many that ocurred during the second half of this decade.The fact anyone would deny
incidents like this happened is the incredible thing.

July 31, 2007 12:42 PM
The Game said...

chet,
Your next post better be an apology for trying to dismiss an ACTUAL case of racism, or don't bother coming back...

July 31, 2007 12:44 PM
Chet said...
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July 31, 2007 3:31 PM
The Game said...

Until Chet makes an apology for saying the scorpion made up a story where racist minorities trashed the near south side of milwaukee and beat him up, you are not allowed to post.

July 31, 2007 5:11 PM
Scorpion said...

GAME---I certainly don't need an apology from Chet,his refusal to even attempt to realize these thing went on,still go on, and have been a two way street for a long time verify the obvious lack of credibility in the comedy I attempt to enjoy on a regular basis. An apology from those "peaceful" soldiers who bullied many during their protests would certainly have been warranted.

August 01, 2007 8:17 AM

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