I'm doing this on my lunch break, and so far I have not found a really "new" list of terror attacks.
This post is trying to make the point that a vast, vast, vast, vast majority of terror attacks are by Radical Muslims.
Yes, that does not mean all Muslims are bad, but it does mean most of the terrorists are Muslims.
How can we get anything done or have any solutions when we can't even agree on something so plain and simple. This is not even a hard one...but for some reason liberals can not even admit radical Islam creates more terror bombings and terror plans that Christians. That would be laughable if it was not so sad to think a grown man who probably thinks they are very smart can not understand this simple point.
We cant fight the enemy if we can't agree who the enemy is...
I'll make sure to look out for 80 year old women coming out of St. Roman's this weekend....
[edit] 2007
January, February: 52 civilians killed in insurgent attacks in Afghanistan according to Human Rights Watch.[151]
January 05, 2007 & January 06, 2007: A suspected LTTE suicide bomber blows themselves up aboard a bus and there is an explosion on another, during rush hour in Nittambuwa and Peraliya killing six and 16 civilians respectively. A further 100 are injured in the incidents.[158][159][160] See 2007 Sri Lankan bus bombs.
January 10: Three bombs kill six and injured twenty seven in the southern part of the Philippines. Muslim militants trying to disrupt ASEAN Summit suspected.[161]
January 12: Rocket causes minimal damage at the US Embassy in central Athens; police suspect spinoff of Greek left wing group November 17.[162]
January-February: 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs
January 22: A bombing in a market in Baghdad, Iraq, kills 88 people and wounds 160 others.
January 26: A suicide bomber kills himself and a security guard trying to enter the Marriott hotel in Islamabad.[163]
January 27: A suicide bombing Pakistan's north-west city of Peshawar kills at least 14 people, mostly policemen, and injures at least 30. Security forces had been on high alert ahead of the annual Shia festival of Ashoura.[164]
January 29: A suicide bombing in the Israeli resort city of Eilat kills three people. Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsibility.[165]
February 3: A truck bombing in a crowed Baghdad market kills at least 135 people and injures a further 339 others.[166] See 3 February 2007 Baghdad market bombing.
February 17: A suicide bomber kills 15 people, including a judge, inside a courtroom in Pakistan. The Taliban is suspected.
February 18: A car bomb in Mogadishu killed four people, the first such attack of the Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present).[167]
February 19: Two bombs explode aboard the Samjhauta Express, a train headed toward Lahore, Pakistan, hour after it left New Delhi. 68 people died in the incident.[168]
February: 2007 chlorine bombings in Iraq
March 1: Ten injured in a car bomb blast in Neiva, capital of Huila. Rebel group FARC is believed to be responsible. The action is believed to be an assassination attempt on Neiva's mayor.[169]
March 3: A bomb kills four police officers and one civilian in the city of Neiva, as they attempted to deactivate it.[169]
March 5: A Rikers Island inmate offered to pay an undercover police officer posing as a hit man to behead New York City police commissioner Raymond Kelly and bomb police headquarters in retaliation for the controversial police shooting of Sean Bell. The suspect wanted the bombing to be considered a terrorist act.[170][171]
March 5: The Taliban kidnap Italian Journalist Daniele Mastrogiacomo whilst beheading his driver. Mastrogiacomo was released March 19 after Afghan President Hamid Karzai agreed to free five Taliban prisoners. His translator was left behind. On April 8 an Afghan government official confirmed the translator was killed.[172]
March 6: Two suicide bombers kill 114 Shiite pilgrims in Hilla, Iraq.
March 16: A bomb kills 16 and injures 16 in Buenaventura. Authorities blame FARC.[173]
March 22: A rocket or mortar lands within 100 yards of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon in the Green Zone in Baghdad, in an apparent assassination attempt.
March 27: Two truck bombs kill 152 people and injure 347 in Tal Afar, Iraq. See 2007 Tal Afar bombings
March 28: A bomb injures ten in a grocery store in Buenaventura. Authorities blame FARC.[173]
March 29: Two suicide bombers kill 79 people and injure 81 in a market of Baghdad.
In the two weeks prior to April 8 at least thirteen Afghans and two French aid workers have been kidnapped. Rebels have demanded further releases of their jailed associates in exchange for some of the hostages.[172]
April 9: A bomb against a police headquarters in Cali kills one and injures 30. FARC are blamed.[174]
April 10: Three suicide bombers kill one police man and injure 23 people in Casablanca, Morocco.
April 11: Two suicide car bombs kill 33 people and injure 222 in Algiers, Algeria. Al-Queda takes responsibility. See 2007 Algiers bombings
April 12: One suicide bomber kills eight people and injures 20 in the cafeteria on Iraq Parliament in the Green Zone in Baghdad.
April 12: A U.S. federal grand jury indicted Christopher Paul, 43, a U.S. citizen and resident of Columbus, Ohio on charges of joining al-Qaida and conspiring to bomb European tourist resorts and U.S. government facilities and military bases overseas.[175]
April 14: A suicide car bomb kills 65 people and injure 100 in Karbala, Iraq.
April 14: Two suicide bombers explode near of the American Language Center in Casablanca, Morocco. One person was injured.
April 16: Seung-Hui Cho killed 33 people including himself in the Virginia Tech massacre the worst civilian shooting spree in United States history, and the worst case of mass murder in the United States since 9/11. (Note: this may be commonly considered a general massacre and thus included in the List of massacres, but there had been several hints of Cho's attempt to kill – an attempt to terrorize.)
April 18: A series of explosions kill 198 people and injure 251 in Baghdad, Iraq. See 18 April 2007 Baghdad bombings
April 18: In Malatya, Turkey, hometown of Mehmet Ali Agca, three Christian men, one of them 45-year-old German father of three children Tilman Geske, were brutally murdered by at least four young men who already have confessed the slayings. The assassins tortured their victims for hours before cutting their throats. An autopsy of the German victim found 156 stab wounds. Hurriyet newspaper quoted a suspect: "Let this be a lesson to enemies of our religion."[176][177][178]
April 25: The American International School in the Gaza Strip is stormed by a dozen gunman claiming to be a members of al-Qaida of Palestine who stole eight computers, planted explosives in adjoining buildings, doused the school with gasoline and set it ablaze.[179]
April 28: Saudi Arabia announced it has arrested one hundred and seventy two people in an Al Queda plot to attack oil facilities, military bases and public figures using civilian aircraft as suicide missiles.[180]
April 28: Interior minister Aftab Khan Sherpao of Pakistan suffers minor injuries, 28 are killed and 35 are injured, ten critically, in a suicide bombing after the minister had finished speaking.[181]
April 28: A car bomb kills 63 people and injure 70 in Karbala, Iraq.
May 6: A car bomb kills 35 people and injure 80 in Baghdad, Iraq.
May 6. In a bomb attack on a UN-run elementary school in the southern Gaza refugee camp of Rafah by Muslim extremists one person, a bodyguard of a local Fatah politician, was killed and eight others, including two children, were injured. The attack happened during a sports festival that earlier had been denounced as un-Islamic by the extremists.[182]
May 7: 2007 Fort Dix attack plot Six men inspired by Jihadist videos arrested in the US, in a failed homegrown terrorism plot to kill US soldiers.
May 9: A roadside bomb kills nine police officers engaged in anti-narcotics operations. Attacked is blamed on FARC.[183]
May 10: A second roadside bomb kills ten soldiers while on patrol. Attack is blamed on FARC.[184]
May 12: In Izmir, Turkey, a bomb explosion on a market kills one person and injures 14 others, one day before a planned march of secular Turks to demonstrate against the Islamic-rooted government.[185]
May 13: A suicide truck bomb kills 50 people and injures 115 in Makhmur, Iraq.
May 15: A bomb explodes in a restaurant in Pakistan's north-west city of Peshawar. Up to 24 people are killed.
May 15, May 16: Hamas launches twenty eight rockets into an Israeli town injuring five. Despite Hamas claims the motive was retaliation for Israeli violence, NBC News claims "likely it was an attempt to draw Israel into the fighting as a way of uniting the Palestinians against a common foe".[186]
May 18: 5-year-old Adril Watangao was killed and 37 other people were injured when a bomb, probably laid by Islamic extremists, exploded in the Weena bus terminal in Cotabato city, in the Mindanao region of southern Philippines.[187]
May 20: Two women, one of them pregnant, were stopped at the Erez Crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip while they were en route to commit suicide bombings in Tel Aviv and Netanya. Both women admitted to being members of Islamic Jihad.[188]
May 21: A Qassam rocket fired by Hamas hits a car in Sderot, killing 35-year-old Shir-El Friedman in the blast.[189]
May 22: A suicide bombing ripped through an Ankara shopping district Tuesday, killing at six people and wounding dozens more. See 2007 Ankara bombing.
May 25: Attack on Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad.
June 3: The Righteous Swords of Islam splash acid on women in the Gaza Strip who dress immodestly and threaten female employees of Palestine TV with beheading unless they dress more modestly.[190]
June 3: John F. Kennedy International Airport terror plot. Thwarted homegrown Islamist terrorism plot to destroy the fuel supply system for the airport located in New York City and cause a large amount of causalities by blowing up the connecting pipeline system that runs through densely populated neighborhoods.
June 3: A car-bomb suicide attack to the Prime Ministers House in Mogadishu kills six guards and injures 20, while PM Ali Mohamed Gedi survives this third assassination attempt unhurt.[191]
June 8: An explosion occurred outside of a tea shop in the city of Yala and killed one woman and wounded 28 other people.[192]
June 8: A bomb exploded on a bus as it was traveling through the town of Hub, in Baluchistan province. Two passengers died and five suffered injuries.[193]
June 10: A bomb exploded outside of a clothing store in Istanbul and injured 14 people.[194]
June 11: A bomb exploded in a business district of Nairobi. The blast occurred outside of the Ambassador Hotel just a few blocks from the U.S. Embassy, the scene of a devastating bomb attack in 1998, and killed one person while injuring 37 others.[195]
June 13: Explosions occurred at the Askariya mosque in Samarra and destroyed the two minarets. No casualties were reported. The same mosque was the target of a February 2006 blast that damaged the building and destroyed its golden dome.[196]
June 14: A car bomb kills ten people in Beirut, Lebanon. Among the killed is the MP Walid Eido.[197]
June 14: Motihar police were able to defuse a bomb planted at the main gate of the Rajshahi University of Engineering and Technology (RUET). The bomb was the latest in a series targeting the area and was claimed by Jadid al Qaeda.[198]
June 19: A truck bomb blast on a square near to a mosque killed 75 and wounded 204 people.
June 24: A suicide car bomb targeted and killed six members of Unifil near the border with Israel. Two others were also injured. The casualties were Spanish and Colombian nationals.[199]
June 29,June 30: 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack,2007 London car bombs. Car bomb plot suspected Al-Qaeda. At Glasgow Airport car rams into main terminal causing minor injuries to five and setting off blaze. Explosive device caught fire instead of detonating. In London's West End attempt to set off two car bombs by suspected cell phone triggers fail. One car is towed before device is discovered in underground car park. Police link two incidents. Seven men arrested. One Glasgow suspect critically burned. One of the five men could be an associate of Dhiren Bharot a high level Al-Qaeda operative. Authorities say London bombs could have caused "significant loss of life".[200][201]
June 29: Sri Lanka Navy personnel find a truck packed with over 1000 kg (2200 lbs) of high explosives in the eastern port city of Trincomalee. It is suspected the Tamil Tiger (LTTE) rebels were planning to use it to blow up a major civilian target in the area. Two weeks earlier a similar explosive laden truck of the Tamil Tigers was detected close to Colombo, the capital city of Sri Lanka.[202]
-- Aug. 5, 2003: A homicide bombers kills 12 people and injures 150 at the J.W. Marriott in Jakarta, Indonesia. Authorities blame Jemaah Islamiyah (search), a Southeast Asian group linked to Al Qaeda.
-- May 16, 2003: Bomb attacks in Morocco kill at least 28 people and injure more than 100. The government blames "international terrorism," and local militant groups linked to Al Qaeda.
-- May 12, 2003: Four explosions rock Riyadh, the Saudi capital, in an attack on compounds housing Americans, other Westerners and Saudis. Eight Americans are among those killed. In all, the attack kills 35 people, including nine attackers.
-- May 11, 2003: A bomb explodes at a crowded market in a southern Philippine city, killing at least nine people and wounding 41. The military blames the Muslim separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front.
-- Dec. 30, 2002: A gunman kills three American missionaries at a Southern Baptist hospital in Yemen. Yemeni officials say the gunman, sentenced to death in May, belonged to an Al Qaeda cell.
-- Nov. 28, 2002: Homicide bombers kill 12 people at an Israeli-owned beach hotel in Kenya and two missiles narrowly miss an airliner carrying Israelis.
-- Oct. 12, 2002: Nearly 200 people, including seven Americans, are killed in bombings in a nightclub district of the Indonesian island of Bali. Authorities blame Jemaah Islamiyah.
-- Oct. 6, 2002: A small boat crashes into a French oil tanker off the coast of Yemen and explodes, killing one crewman.
-- Oct. 2, 2002: Suspected Abu Sayyaf guerrillas detonate a nail-laden bomb in a market in Zamboanga, Philippines, killing four people, including an American Green Beret. Four more bomb attacks in October blamed on Abu Sayyaf, a group linked to Al Qaeda, kill 16 people.
-- June 14, 2002: A homicide bomber blows up a truck at the U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14 Pakistanis. Authorities say it is the work of Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen, linked to Al Qaeda.
-- April 11, 2002: A homicide bombing with a gas truck at a historic Tunisian synagogue on the resort island of Djerba kills 21 people, mostly German tourists.
-- Sept. 11, 2001: Hijackers slam jetliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and a fourth hijacked jet crashes in a Pennsylvania field, killing nearly 3,000 people.
-- Dec. 30, 2000: Explosions in Manila strike a train, a bus, the airport, a park near the U.S. Embassy and a gas station, killing 22 people. Philippine and U.S. investigators link the attack to Jemaah Islamiyah.
-- Oct. 12, 2000: Homicide attackers on an explosives-laden boat ram the destroyer USS Cole off Yemen, killing 17 American sailors.
-- Aug. 7, 1998: Nearly simultaneous car bombings hit the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya, killing 231 people, including 12 Americans.
Who committed these attacks? Is there any connection? Its not profiling, its called being mildly observant. I'll wait for an equally long list of Christian terror....you have got to be kidding me...
Monday, July 02, 2007
Recent Terror Attacks Around World
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Game,
The problem as Liberals see it is Christianity. Christians have to believe in a higher power from whom grace is given when sincerely asked for. They can't accept that there is no negotiaing for, nor is there the possibliity of purchasing this grace. It more than galls them to the core.
All other religions offer the possibility of obtaining grace through the sacrifice of something other than themselves and without the acknowledgement that there is a higher power they can not control or bargain with.
As far as the war on terror, Liberals will stick their heads in the sand because to confront it would mean surrender to the Islamofascists and implement the laws of Sharia or it would mean having to take up arms, and that option liberals find most distasteful.
Comparing Christian terror attacks to Muslim terror attacks is fallacious.
An analogy would be to claim that the poor have less respect for the law than the wealthy by looking soley at shoplifiting statistics.
Acts of terrorism are a specific type of murder that is usually committed by individuals that feel oppressed. (Before you get distracted thinking that I'm claiming that America is the oppressor, I'm not. Muslim leaders are the ones doing the majority of the oppression)
Christians do not engage in this particular type of murder because they do not, by and large, experience the same feelings of oppression. Although, in situations where Christians DO feel oppressed, they are just as likely to resort to terrorism as anybody else (see Ireland as an example)
Game--
Looking through the events above, while the majority of it is inspired by Allah, I was surprised how many times the Chavez-allied FARC showed up. Some of these Latin American groups like the Shining Path are pure evil. Meanwhile, leftwing morons like Cameron Diaz sport Maoist gear as a fashion statement.
Always refreshing to see PCD and Game pulling baseless generalizations out of their rear.
"We're raising the level of debate!!!!!"
It seems the big liberal arguement is to make sure we don't imply that ALL Muslims are bad...that has been covered over and over..
Yes, there are many Muslims who are just fine, good, people...
The point here is that there is a war going on...its radical Islam vs. anyone who is not radical Islam...period...proven with long lists of facts...
That has not been refuted...and by the attitude here, it makes it clear that we can not afford anyone who thinks like you in the White House ever. You can't even admit that almost all the terrorism is done by radical Muslims...its not up for debate.
I know, liberals want to blame the evil American for oppression and making everyone hate us...you make excuses for everyone all the time...but a functioning society can not allow anyone who can't see who is trying to destroy our way of life to be in charge.
"If we spent more time fighting radicalism (by supporting moderates and by creating conditions where moderate political and cultural philosophies could take root and prosper)"
You mean like how they solved "the Troubles" in Ireland?
hmmm...
Game,
Take your blinders off. Chet stated what you foolishly claimed only conservatives of capable of doing: that those devoted to radical Islam are responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks.
I give you credit for the long list of facts you provided in the rest of your asinine rant.
realism makes a good arguement here...
I agree...I don't want to say it is the religion of Islam that is to blame...but for some reason the radicals are people who practice Islam...
And its hard to help the "better" side win when both are insane
I will concede that certain belief structures are more likely to lead to a radical, violent mindset. One does not find many violent Zen Buddhists, for example.
My point is that it is a mistake to think of it as "fighting" a belief. Conflict against someone who is fighting your beliefs usually just has the effect of strengthening that belief.
OTOH, using the hegelian dialectic to create change is much more effective.
Nice compilation.
A small correction: LTTE has nothing to do with radical Islam. It's purely a civil war.
I have to take issue with Realism's claims regarding Islam. There is one distinguishing factor that is often whitewashed, and that is that the religion itself calls for the type of bloodshed we see with far too much regularity. To compare radical Islam with radicals of the Judeo-Christian tradition is a major stretch, because the Judeo-Christian Scriptures do NOT call for violence to further the faith. Islam does. Just on that specific topic, I've read a number of books and articles that highlight that fact. Of these, Robert Spencer has a couple of books. A much older book on the subject is "Unveiling Islam" by Ergun Kaner, who was raised Muslim. AmericanThinker.com has a series of articles detailing the violence inherent in the religion written by a guy named Arlundson (I think. It's been a while since I perused his stuff.) Both the AmericanThinker articles and the books of Spencer rely heavily on Islamic apologists and historians to prove the contention. And there are many others who have done the same type of research. What one learns from such reading is that "radical" isn't really the appropriate label. "Orthodox" is really more to the point. These people are attempting to further the faith, it's not about supposed "oppression", particularly when Islamic history shows they are usually doing the oppressing. They look at us and Israel as direct obstructions to the raising up of the Caliphate. Their goal is to spread their religion under Sharia law over the whole planet.
Now it's fair to say that every religion wishes to convert everyone. It's certainly true of Christianity. But "orthodox" Christians, and by that I mean those who seek to be as true to the faith as possible, have no Scripture that incites them to do violence to others, particularly to spread the faith. This is not so with Islam. So, those "moderates" are comparable to liberal Christians and the lip-service Christians. To say a Christian objects to violence in the name of the faith is in line with the faith, but not so with Islam. The moderates dispute and ignore the violent aspects perhaps, but they can't truly say it isn't there, as proven in the many exhaustive tomes that prove otherwise. Indeed, most of the terrorists are seeking to emulate Muhammed himself, as he spread the faith through terror.
So it is indeed NOT a matter of being oppressed, unless the oppression is felt when being inhibited from carrying out the violent expression of their faith.
Yes, Marshall, devout "true believers" are always a threat to peace and liberty.
No matter what the religion is.
"OTOH, using the hegelian dialectic to create change is much more effective."
This has to be the dumbest thing I have read on this blog so far. And believe me, you have a lot of competition.
Just think of all of the evil people that could have been stopped -- Hitler, Hirohito, Mao, Castro, Saddam, Milosevic, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini -- if we were just willing to use the Hegelian dialectic to create change! Wow!
It is saddening to see that if someone attacks the West, Chet and Phil can excuse them.
Jason,
Radical islam is not a person, it is an ideology.
I know you're not really that stupid.
Secondly, you guys conceded the Muslims doing the terrorism aren't doing it in response to direct oppression of themselves.
I think you misunderstood. Muslims are plenty oppressed, though I think it's largely by other nominal Muslims and not so much by the US.
Other Muslims in the west see that and join up with the terrorists. I mean it's no mystery where these guys are coming from, Jason.
Remember that nobody flies planes into buildings in Toronto. It's worth trying to understand why countries like Canada aren't hit to the same degree as the US and the UK.
So side with the moderates then, and stop blaming the West for what are clearly the actions of rabid fanatics.
I don't see where anybody's done that. Are you just having that much trouble responding to our arguments that you're going to ignore them completely in favor of grappling with strawmen?
"It's worth trying to understand why countries like Canada aren't hit to the same degree as the US and the UK." Yes, and that understanding is clear. The US, along with Israel, is considered the major obstruction to their goals of a new caliphate. Canada is not. But just like Spain, Great Britain and other places, Canada is not exempt from their savagery. They have had a recent incident prevented involving assasinations. But no, they are not viewed by the scumbags with the same level of vitriol, but only because we have shown more balls in standing against them than have other nations.
"I don't see where anybody's done that." This can only be because you refuse to look. Our presence in Afghanistan and Iraq is for the purpose of supporting those more moderate Muslims who are trying to form governments and build themselves up to take care of their own business. Don't ignore this most obvious reality. In addition, our alliance with Pakistan is for the same purpose and we also show our support of moderates by our opposition to Syria and Iran, and all the various incarnations of terrorist fun groups in the world, like Hamas, Hezb'allah et al.
"Yes, Marshall, devout "true believers" are always a threat to peace and liberty." This is evidence that your understanding of Christianity and your imagined "true believers" is lacking. A devout belief in the tenants of Christianity will never produce a terrorist because there is nothing there that inspires terrorism. Misinterpretations are a different matter, but its not the religion's fault someone hasn't the proper guidance. But as I stated, devotion to Islam will always produce terrorists because violence is taught in it's holy books. The moderates ignore these aspects, but the "radicals" don't. There are no mandates to violence in the Bible to ignore.
OH, and it's important to remember that devotion to the Constitution can also inspire idiots to violence, but not because the Constitution mandates violence. So don't get on religion, idiots can turn anything into a cause for violence.
realism--
Muslim Supremacists do exist.
chet--
Again, if you don't see the world through Leninist glasses, you'll see the violence as theologically motivated, and not some struggle against imperialism. It is not only their tactics I object to, but their ridiculous faith-based grievances.
After all, the violence against the infidels in Sudan, in the Philippines, in Thailand, in India, in Russia (which just killed in combat one of our released GITMO detainees), in Somalia, in Yemen, and the internecine stuff we see in Iraq-- has nothing to do with a global struggle against capitalism. If that was the case, they'd be flying airplanes into skyscrapers in Dubai.
Again, in Sudan, Islamists have killed 2,000,000 infidels. How in the world is this an example of Muslims being oppressed? Care to explain?
Marshall--
I'm amazed at to what lengths some people will go to blame the West for Jihad. The moral equivalence, the evasion of public knowledge, the logical contradictions -- why go to such lengths to defend a scumbag like Osama bin Laden?
And then these leftists wonder why people get the impression that the left hates the West with a special emphasis on the United States. They rationalize it by claiming we must be sheeple brainwashed by the corporations-- the real enemy!
Our public education system is screwed up more than I thought if we're producing citizens like this.
Again, if you don't see the world through Leninist glasses, you'll see the violence as theologically motivated, and not some struggle against imperialism.
Nobody's knocking buildings down with airplanes in Toronto.
According to your explanation, violent theology would target all Western nations equally; but the attacks seem to be largely (not entirely) limited to those countries involved in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
The theological explanation doesn't explain that, but my explanation does. It's not a matter of "seeing" through any glasses - it's a matter of what explanations best explain the evidence. Yours does not.
How in the world is this an example of Muslims being oppressed?
I don't understand. Pointing out regions of the world where Muslims are not oppressed doesn't prove that no Muslims are oppressed, anywhere.
The mental problem I think you're having is that you continue to believe that the Muslims who attack must be the same Muslims who are oppressed. I've told you twice now that this obviously is not the case.
Chet,
So jihad is not going on in the Phillipines, Shi Lanka, Indonesia,... Take off your Rose law firm colored glasses.
So jihad is not going on in the Phillipines, Shi Lanka, Indonesia,...
I didn't say that it wasn't. What's your point?
PCD,
Please...
There is NO jihad going on in Sri Lanka (By the way, it's not Shi Lanka!!) It's a civil war!!!
Also, don't compare local struggles all over the world to 'Jihad' by those crazy Osama-gang.
May be, you should read a little more...???
Secondly, you guys conceded the Muslims doing the terrorism aren't doing it in response to direct oppression of themselves.
I never conceded any such thing. I guess it makes it easier to debate if you can just fight strawmen, rather than actual arguments.
and logically claim you're fighting oppression.
Yeah, and the nazi's couldn't logically claim that the Jews were the source of all of Germany's problems. What matters when discerning someone's motivation is what THEY think not what is actually true.
The grievances of the radicals have no basis in fact. I agree. They need to look at their own leaders if they are trying to find their oppressors
You guys admitted the moderates want no part in terrorism. So side with the moderates then, and stop blaming the West for what are clearly the actions of rabid fanatics.
Once again, I am not blaming the west. I specifically said so in my first comment.
To use your phrasing
'stop blaming islam for what are clearly the actions of rabid fanatics'
Regarding the article in the observer, it seems to me that Mr. Butt (snicker) is actually saying that radical islam is just one interpretation, and not the correct one at that (obviously, since he has renounced terrorism)
"What radicals and extremists do is to take these premises two steps further"
"Many of my former peers, myself included, were taught by Pakistani and British radical preachers that this reclassification of the globe as a Land of War (Dar ul-Harb) allows any Muslim to destroy the sanctity of the five rights that every human is granted under Islam: life, wealth, land, mind and belief. In Dar ul-Harb, anything goes, including the treachery and cowardice of attacking civilians."
" as a former extremist recruiter, every time mosque authorities banned us from their grounds, it felt like a moral and religious victory"
"Muslim scholars must go back to the books and come forward with a refashioned set of rules and a revised understanding of the rights and responsibilities of Muslims whose homes and souls are firmly planted in what I'd like to term the Land of Co-existence. And when this new theological territory is opened up, Western Muslims will be able to liberate themselves from defunct models of the world, rewrite the rules of interaction and perhaps we will discover that the concept of killing in the name of Islam is no more than an anachronism."
Jason,
And on it goes. The responses to your last ignore the reality. The evidence and explanations to which Chet refers completely ignores the words, which have been repeated since at least the time of the Barbary Pirates, that the terrorists use to explain themselves. Nothing matters, not capitalism nor some perceived by westerners oppression, but their own goals of furthering their plan for the sread of Sharia EVERYWHERE. The US and Israel are currently their two main enemies, but it hasn't prevented their followers from random attacks elsewhere in the world. The left should try listening to what THEY say and proceed accordingly.
That would be "spread" of Sharia, of course.
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