Just look at all these stories from the last few days. This is the "religion of peace."
In reality, this is a threat to decent society, order and peace.
Some take this threat seriously, some do not.
Then you have a group of people who think global warming is a greater threat than radical Islam. And that is why we need to do whatever we can to keep these people from getting total control of our government...
'Allah, Allah!'
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Sunday, July 01, 2007
The religion of peace
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Muslim Supremacists absolutely are a problem of global proportions. They're probably planning attacks to test the next American president, Republican or Democrat, when he/she takes office, to see if America will be led in a passive direction in response.
Hopefully this won't happen, but as the saying goes, prepare for the worst, and hope for the best. Some people unwisely see this philosophy as giving into fear.
Oh, and Mujaheedin Mickey was killed by a Jew? Well, the Palis wouldn't have these fascist beliefs if the West was more tolerant and open to other cultures -- not! I absolutely despise the Palestinians, and definitely will bring back the Pali Suicide Goons next fantasy football season. Oh yeah!
Guess we should just turn around,get out,and let these great human beings continue to do their thing. Leave them alone?I don't think so!
A religious terrorist who drove a burning car into a building in Iowa got just 5 years in jail this week--he could of gotten 20! What gives?
Just because I like beatin' a dead horse, I must point out to Chet that Islam provides for violent behavior, while the Judeo-Christian faiths do not. I'm not talking about violent episodes within the Biblical texts, I'm talking about doctrine that calls for violent acts. Now, before you try to point out Mosaic Law, keep in mind that first, it doesn't apply to Christianity as a mandate, and Judaism doesn't practice such punishments in today's world. Even then, it was how one punishes a Jew for a sin, whereas in Islam, most of the violent stuff is aimed at "infidels" who are, of course, non-Islamic. There are several books and scores of articles discrediting the notion of Islam as a religion of peace, most using Islamic apologists for sources. So if we talk about "fundies" of each religion, Judeo-Christian adherents are no threat. Muslims are.
about 1000 years ago Chet might have been correct. However, in 2007, there seems to be one religion that produces people that constantly blow up cars, buses, schools, eachother...and for what?
To kill everyone who isn't the right kind of Muslim. I don't see that happening all over the world with Christianity...
Jay,
Check the pedigree on that judge. Most of the judges are Democrats or very Moderate GOP in Iowa. Democrats had enough numbers in the Senate to force left leaning (read whacko) judges to be confirmed to bench openings here in Iowa.
Chet,
Just how do you know MeVeigh was a practicing Christian??? I know lefties like you love to bash religion like Marx, Lenin, and Stalin did.
Jay,
The man drove from Detroit and lit a Molotov Cocktail, not drove a burning car into the building like the Islamofascists did in Glasgow.
You are really reaching to paint Christians as the extremists that Whabists are.
Also, the judge ruled the cretin to get mental health treatment and substance abuse treatment.
Let's see, substance abuse, mental illness, sounds like a liberal Democrat to me, so what's your beef?
Just because I like beatin' a dead horse, I must point out to Chet that Islam provides for violent behavior, while the Judeo-Christian faiths do not.
Well, that all depends on interpretation. Certainly it's viewed that the Bible provides allowances for "just wars", and that's certainly violent. Then there's the prohibition against the occult - "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
Jesus himself said that he came not to bring peace, but a sword. His expectation was certainly that he was bringing a philosophy violently at odds with the status quo.
Even then, it was how one punishes a Jew for a sin, whereas in Islam, most of the violent stuff is aimed at "infidels" who are, of course, non-Islamic.
Strictly speaking, the Koran forbids the use of violence against believers of other faiths, except for self-defense. But again it's all in interpretation. Certainly many have interpreted both books as not prohibiting violence in certain situations.
I don't see that happening all over the world with Christianity...
Have you ever heard of the IRA? Citizens on London who watched their stores be firebombed in a raging Christian sectarian conflict would like to have a word with you. In fact Christian terrorism was the dominant form of religious terrorism in the world before the rise of Islamic jihadism.
How many abortionists have died at the hands of militant Christians? Just last year a Christian drove a makeshift carbomb into a Planned Parenthood - one that didn't even offer abortions, natch.
Just how do you know MeVeigh was a practicing Christian???
I looked it up. Why don't you do the same?
Chet, you looked up where? On Daily Kos?
I just think it's ironic that Walt Disney wouldn't necessarily have objected to Hamas' use of Mickey Mouse
chet--
The last abortion doctor killed by a Christian Supremacist in the United States was in 1998. Furthermore, the last attempt, before the 2006 Iowa attempt mentioned above, was also in 1998. Do you know how many people have been killed by Muslim Supremacists in, let us say, Thailand or Sudan, in the same amount of time? How can you be this ignorant?
The last abortion doctor killed by a Christian Supremacist in the United States was in 1998. Furthermore, the last attempt, before the 2006 Iowa attempt mentioned above, was also in 1998. Do you know how many people have been killed by Muslim Supremacists in, let us say, Thailand or Sudan, in the same amount of time? How can you be this ignorant?
There's no statute of limitations on murder; I don't see why Christians should get a pass just because they got all their terrorism in before a certain cutoff date.
I'm not disputing that the bulk of the world's terrorism right now is coming out of Muslim jihadist movements. Anybody can see that it is. But to say that Christians "don't do terror" is just laughably false. Christianity certainly has its own history of terrorist tactics to get what they want.
Try to pay attention to what I'm saying, people. Most of the time you're grappling with strawmen instead of with my arguments.
I'll grapple with your arguments, Chet. But first, one slight correction.
If I'm not mistaken, one of those abortionist killers was NOT, I repeat, and he did too, NOT a Christian. I don't recall his name, but I will say that he received more press. At least that's how I remember it because I don't recall there being a second one that year. I'm not disputing it, I just don't recall. If I saw the names, I could tell you which definitely wasn't a Christian.
OK. There's a big difference between being a Christian who's a terrorist, and being a Christian who kills as a result of his religion. There may be those who think they are defending the faith or some such lunacy, but the faith itself does NOT teach such things. Not at all, in any way, shape, or form. Islam, however, does. And therein lies the salient distinction. Muslim terrorists kill because their scriptures teach them to. Christians can't say that, and no one can make the case.
And BTW, Chet. No one's giving Christians who kill a pass of any kind. On the contrary, Christians would insist that they answer for their crimes here on earth as they will certainly answer for them later if they don't repent and seek forgiveness and salvation.
If I'm not mistaken, one of those abortionist killers was NOT, I repeat, and he did too, NOT a Christian. I don't recall his name, but I will say that he received more press.
...yeah, that pretty much sounds like bullshit.
I'm sorry, Marshall, but you really need to bring your a-game here. Your half-remembered hand-waves really don't mean anything at all to me.
There's a big difference between being a Christian who's a terrorist, and being a Christian who kills as a result of his religion.
No, there's really no difference. I know that you'd like to invoke "no true Scotsman" here, but that's a well-known fallacy. The truth of the matter is that Christians who kill in the name of their religion interpret their Bibles in a way that supports that.
You interpret yours in a different way. They think you're wrong. You think they're wrong. I don't see any basis to conclude that either of you is less "Christian" than the other.
but the faith itself does NOT teach such things.
I've already given some examples where it does. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Sounds pretty violent to me. Remember that one of Jesus's most memorable ministries came when we encountered a crowd about to stone a woman to death for adultery. At no point does he dispute the sentence; he simply points out that none there was qualified to deliver it.
Islam, however, does.
Or, it doesn't. It really depends on how you interpret it. The centuries-old mainstream Muslim interpretation is that Muslims should live in peace with non-Muslims and only fight in self-defense.
You disagree. They think you're wrong. You think they're wrong. On the other hand, you're not a Muslim. You probably don't even read Arabic. Pardon me for not taking your half-assed exegesis very seriously.
Christians can't say that, and no one can make the case.
But that's exactly what they do - they support their murders from the Bible. The Virginia State murderer proclaimed that he would be remembered as a Christ. Paul Hill's defenders support his murders from the Bible.
Like most Muslims, most Christians are just regular people. But to assert that Christians can't bend their own religion into terrorism is just plain nonsense. It's not a special religion, Marshall. It's a religion like all the others and it can be used exactly the same way - to foment hatred, suffering, and death.
And it demonstratively has been used that way.
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