When Summerfest started I typed up a post suggesting that the paper was reporting on the number of Summerfest arrests to show that they will report on arrests at white festivals as well as black festivals.
The only responses were from liberals brushing it off.
Maybe they brushed it off because they knew it was true?
Then on Jay's own blog we get a story about....the arrests at Summerfest, and why is there not outrage over all these arrests when there was outrage about the gang beatings at the Juneteenth festival.
So....I am correct AGAIN.
This guy on Jay's site is trying to compare a bunch of underage drinking tickets and a few drunk people slapping eachother around to black males dragging a guy out of his car and beating him half to death...
This is why things will never change in the inner city, because we will always have white-guilt liberals downplaying the terrible behavior of a portion of its inhabitants. The liberals has been effectively ruining the black community for a good 40 years now.
It would be nice if the people living in the inner city saw that it is the mentality and policies of liberals that has aided in their demise.
How has welfare worked out to help the black community?
How about the projects?
Any liberal social programs?
They all fail, they all create a sense of entitlement, a sense that hard work is not needed because the govt will do everything for them.
And hard work doesn't matter anyway, because there are enough white racists out there that will make sure the black man never gets ahead.
I showed yesterday in a story on how people are trying to give black youth scholarships, and they can't even do the minimum to get into school...and no liberal comments telling me how I am wrong.
I'm sure their answer is that the schools are not good enough, and there we go...getting back to how white-guilt liberals are a part of the problem.
Make excuses, blame everyone else...downplay savage behavior...give them more hand-outs
Here is another issue where liberals are a part of the problem, not the solution.
Wednesday, July 11, 2007
Update on Summerfest arrests
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Yeah, but that's just nonsense, Game. If you ask an inner-city black dude living near the poverty line what the biggest problem he faces is, he's not going to tell you that his biggest problem is the welfare check that keeps a roof over his head and some food in his cupboard.
He's going to tell you that the biggest problem is that a black applicant is less than half as likely to be interviewed for a job as a white applicant with identical qualifications, plus a criminal record.
The problem with the inner city isn't welfare; it's racism, same as always. Conservatives (and Tony Snow) like to pretend that there's no racism any more but anybody who takes a look at the data can see what nonsense that is.
and your answers are why things will never get better, period.
I work in the inner city, with these kids, I see first hand the poor attitude and lack of work ethic.
And yes, that poor attitude has been created by failed liberal policies.
If you were correct, why hasn't the employment rate or poverty level changed since the 1970's...oh, thats right, everyone is still racist...give me a break.
Is there some racism...sure.
Does it cause the extreme poverty and savage (not by everyone) behavior found in the inner city...no way.
You don't understand that you are no not helping them...you are hurting them.
I'm glad you gave your liberal answers..it shows that you have no clue what is happening there...
Chet, you are so wrong. Tony Snow is too a conservative!
Game, the problem with your post claiming "that the paper was reporting on the number of Summerfest arrests to show that they will report on arrests at white festivals as well as black festivals" is that it was just wrong. Every year the MJS reports the daily Summerfest arrests. You can search the archives and find them. It has nothing to do with trying to show how PC they are; it has everything to do with Summerfest arrests being news.
"I work in the inner city, with these kids, I see first hand the poor attitude and lack of work ethic..."
I agree with this statement....
"And yes, that poor attitude has been created by failed liberal policies."
....but not this one.
From personal experience, I know that the whole set of problems (and it is a SET, not just a blanket problem) cannot be solved by "liberal" or "conservative" attitudes alone...
I will say that, unlike in the past, conditions have deteriorated the inner city is going to have to meet the rest of society more than halfway, and that the bulk of responsibility for restoring order out of chaos will have to be initiated from within.
But it's not ALL their fault, either.
"hash"
you are 100% correct..
This is a very complicated issue with many problems...I might have made it seem like I was saying it is ALL the fault of liberal policies because we can't get liberals to place ANY blame on these guys at all...
And you are right on that the solution needs to come from within...
I bust my ass every day trying to help them, and people should, and the govt should give them a push...but that is not what welfare is...
I can bust my ass, people can give money, everyone ELSE can do everything possible, but until the parents, and adults and leaders give a damn and start trying, and take it upon themselves to care and show some hard work and responsiblity, nothing will change...
But liberals like chet and realism simply blaming it on racism, not puting any blame on the peopel who cause many of their own problems...is part of the problem...
All it would take is ONE generation to care about their education and the whole thing would be turned around...but you have a situation where MOST parents don't care...and I am very confident in saying MOST.
Jay, I could even admit that the Journal as reported on this in the past...but you have to admit that those reports are used by white guilt liberals (on your OWN blog) to try and say that the behaviors are equal...they are not even close to equal...
More people were assaulted battered at Summerfest than at Juneteenth. More people resisted arrest at Summerfest than at Juneteenth. More people committed disorderly conduct at Summerfest than at Juneteenth.
Is this a function of its size? Almost certainly. But it is demonstrative of two facts: One, violence at or after festivals is not, unlike what the radio squawkers would have you believe, a function of the kind of festival or the predominant race or geography of its attendees.
Two, there are no lengths to which the Waukesha County-based radio squawkers will go: One of them--as was pointed out at my blog!--making excuses for and feeling sorry for the criminals. Had Eugene Kane invited the mother of one of the kids who beat the victim at Juneteenth to decry how horrible the police are, you would have torn Kane a new one. Where's your outrage at Belling?
And, more to the point: You. Are. Wrong. The MJS does not print Summerfest crime stats to show how PC it is. That was your contention, and you. Are. Wrong.
I work in the inner city, with these kids, I see first hand the poor attitude and lack of work ethic.
Hell, Game, every kid has a bad attitude and a poor work ethic. That's nothing new. Do you have some evidence that these are any more prevalent among African youths than they are among poor communities in general?
If you were correct, why hasn't the employment rate or poverty level changed since the 1970's...oh, thats right, everyone is still racist...give me a break.
Give you a break? Who's going to give the Jena Six a break? Go on, read the post. To correct your inevitable misunderstanding, that's not the script from a 60's civil rights movie, it's a series of events that began last school year. My personal favorite part was when several black students subdued a white student who was threatening them with a handgun - and when the racist police showed up, they arrested the black students - for stealing the white kid's gun.
That's the kind of ol-folksy shenanigans I'd expect to see as a joke on a sitcom; not real behavior by people entrusted with upholding the law. But, you know, just keep pretending like racism is gone.
I might have made it seem like I was saying it is ALL the fault of liberal policies because we can't get liberals to place ANY blame on these guys at all...
At least we've made efforts, and those efforts have been occasionally successful. Just look at Clarence Thomas, who rose to the top court of the land with the aid of affirmative action (and is now doing whatever he can to dismantle the ladder behind him.) The conservative plan is to abandon black people altogether and pretend like there's not a problem when six high school students are going to jail for attempted murder, all for defending themselves against bullies who decided they weren't white enough to sit under a fucking tree.
Sorry, I'm getting a little emotional (for the first time here.) But that's how strongly I feel animosity towards racists.
But liberals like chet and realism simply blaming it on racism, not puting any blame on the peopel who cause many of their own problems...
I just don't think "people causing their own problems" is as responsible as "racists causing problems for other people" is. There's just no data to support the idea that the problems black people face in our society today are their own problems - and much data to support the idea that the problems are due to racists discriminating against black people.
"Hell, Game, every kid has a bad attitude and a poor work ethic. That's nothing new. Do you have some evidence that these are any more prevalent among African youths than they are among poor communities in general?"
Yes, the attitudes that most American kids have are not this bad, and the work ethic is nowhere near as poor.
The vast majority of these kids are coming from seriously dysfunctional homes, and norms that your average white person, (or Hispanic, or Asian, etc.) would find repellent.
It's easy to sit in an ivory tower and throw money at problems, bus them to other neighborhoods, even repaint walls in Afrocentric color schemes, but the kids are coming from homes that are fundamentally flawed, from a moral standpoint. Money can't buy respect or a decent upbringing in any environment. Are there decent moms? Sure, maybe ten percent...strong women with such force of will that those kids quietly implode, when confronted with "toughlove" crackdowns we use on them, to discipline the other 90%. These aren't the kids breaking windows, pulling the bathroom sinks out of the wall...these are the ones plotting revenge for the future.
It is positively apocalyptic to anyone who is insulated from it, and we have to get past the idea that they will just magically "blend" into society.
As I said, we'll have to see a modicum of discipline and determination before any one who works with inner-city young people will be able to relax long enough to let their guard down and share anything but life's basics.
Both sides want to see WHAT they want to see. Especially, when you are an extreme right-wing or left-wing character!
Here is an example: Republican Senator Vitter and his links to D.C Madam. This blog doesn't even mention it. Had it been a democrat, author of this blog would have gone crazy over it!!
Same thing with summer fest arrests. For most of us, a crime is a crime. There is no excuse!Doesn't matter if he is a black or white or an alien!
"Here is an example: Republican Senator Vitter and his links to D.C Madam."
Correctimundo! Yet another addition to the unprecendented list of Republican politicians, government officials, and opinion leaders involved in morals crimes, various perversions, pedophilia scandals, etc.
I didn't expect to see any reporting of "Skeletaur's" psychic warnings of "terra"....
Sad when you cannot walk through Times Square on a warm summer evening without being afraid of being vaporized by your own government.
american,
So you want a post about Vitter because YOU think it's important? No problem. Start a blog and post one. Problem solved.
Well, I'm glad to see other liberals have some clue that there is a problem and the solution needs to come from within...except Chet...no clue, whites cause all the problems, there is huge amounts of racism all over the place...he finds single events to support his claims...
Now, there is a good point that it isn't race that is the problem, but poverty...but then, MOST of the people in the inner city are black and a disproportionate number of poor are black...and I deal with 75% black kids...
Look Chet and others...you might think I don't care about them or that I am racist...but I honestly care about the kids in the inner city and I believe that the number one thing that will save them is strong leadership giving the message that hard work and education can work.
I believe the stugg that Chet says, and that message that it is racism and everyone is out to get them does nothing to help...What Chet says might be right more than I want to admit, but why dwell on that?
What does dwelling on that do?
I don't know...it is late and I want to go to bed...baby coming soon...
Marshal Arts,
So, YOU don’t think adultery by a senator is an important thing, uh? Is it because you voted for his party (hint, hint)?
Dude, thanks for making my point!!
This is GREAT STUFF today!!!As I go
to my MPS part-time position this morning,it is hilarious to see some of the comical rationale being
thrown out here to sympathize with
these unfortunate picked on youngsters who don't come to school
and really do nothing positive when they get there.As long as welfare isn't the problem,let's get it eliminated.Wow!!GAME-this comment should get some bizarro retort from comedy clubbers.
Yes, the attitudes that most American kids have are not this bad, and the work ethic is nowhere near as poor.
Well, let's see the evidence of that. On it's face, blaming the African-American community for suffering the effects of problems that originate from outside the community is just another form of racism, quite frankly. It's just victim-blaming, because it's easier to blame the victim than to face one's own complicity in systematic racism.
I don't think those kids in Jena are in trouble because of bad homes or a poor work ethic; they're in trouble because the entire civil apparatus - from the public schools, up through the police, all the way up to the city council - are fucking racists.
Clueless Chet,the REAL victims are ANYONE who have to deal with and attempt to calm down these poor misunderstood HOODLUMS everyday while good kids have to sit there and put up with it.Give it a try for a week and come back with some more nonsense for me to enjoy then.
Clueless Chet,the REAL victims are ANYONE who have to deal with and attempt to calm down these poor misunderstood HOODLUMS everyday while good kids have to sit there and put up with it.
I can't argue with anecdotes. What's your evidence that this is more prevalent among black kids than white ones? Otherwise it's just more racism - "I saw a black person steal once, so they all must be thieves."
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