It just seems like Obama has a incoherent strategy.
We should leave Iraq, but go to Pakistan.
Does anyone really believe a lefty like Obama is really going to go against President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and just send US troops to Pakistan.
I just don't think I can trust someone who seems so wishy washy on military issues.
And looking back on Democratic Presidents, how has the military been used?
Wednesday, August 01, 2007
Obama might send troops into Pakistan
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American foreign policy has always been wishy-washy blinded by short-term gains. We arm mujahideens only to bomb them later. We supported Saddam first and bombed him(Iraq) later. We are still supporting non-democratic leaders in Saudi and Pakistan. So, it’s just a matter of time before we send our troops.
So, Obama’s stand doesn’t really surprise me!!
I'll agree in part with you...we have not had real balls since WWII
Here's the part that gets me: This buffoon wants to mess with an ally, but he wants to sit and talk with sworn enemies. Why doesn't he want to invade Iran? We KNOW Iran's been causing trouble. But no, he wants to invade the one country that sided with us the moment George said "you're with us or you're with them".
Obama claims that our real enemies are in the mountains along the Afghan/Pakistan border. Real good. The Soviets spent how long trying to flush out those who know every freakin' nook and cranny of those mountains and Obama thinks he's gonna waltz in and be a tough guy. Why? To prove something about his will to fight. That's fine and dandy. Do it with a real plan. Do it against a real threat. We invade, Musharraf gets assasinated, the scumbags get control. Nice plan. Obama. Step down. You're an idiot.
Marshall Art,
Pleaasse.....!!
You think it's all so black and white? I'm not saying that Obama knows everything. But your notion that Pak is our ally shows the ignorance. How long you think Musharraf can survive? There is enough opposition within pakistan to topple him very soon. Why do you think he recently met up with Benezir Bhutto?
Our so-called ally Musharraf is using US to protect his power - that's all. If he was really honest about giving support, why did he make a deal with NW frontier tribal folks to keep his army out? Why is he not going after those maddrassahs and other radical Islamic outfits? He acted on red mosque leaders only after they kidnapped chinese nationals!
ANyways - this is not so black and white. We can't support or oppose on the party lines. Not the time for cheap party politics. We need to do what's best for our country in long run. Radical islam and terrorism is a threat to our society and we need to confront it with strength. Not the wishy-washy policy we saw in the past five decades!!
Get real. If we had dealt with terrorism "with strength", Bush would only have been accused of being a cowboy and an oppressor even more than he is now. I have no problem with critiques on how the war is conducted, but to say it's been "wishy-washy" ignores the fact that we've been unmolested since 9/11. And now, with the surge, we're seeing even more progress than there's been thus far. People like to forget that this has not been like any other war in which we've engaged. As in every war, and in this one in particular, new lessons are learned. Expecting perfection in the execution of a war is naive and partisan in every way.
Now as to Obama, I spoke in very general terms, but the basic points are valid. Pakistan at this point IS an ally and Obama's tough talk is misplaced. What this shit-for-brains pretender could have said better is that he would sit with Musharraf and seek ways to better support his efforts in the fight against terror. But to dictate to an ally? What's up with that? Isn't the left who keeps saying we can't be telling other nations what to do? How well do you think it would go over with the Pakistani people if we were to invade? Bad idea. And according to a recent AmericanThinker.com column, Obama's been all over the board regarding foreign policy and the WOT. The guy's a loser and as such, he's dangerous.
Marshall Art,
Wake up from deep slumber, please!
Why are you repeating your talking points on 9/11 and recent surge? That’s not the point here. How come you ignore our wishy-washy, yes, wishy-washy foreign policies of supporting our real enemies?
Pakistan is our ally? You need to get real here. It’s an Islamic republic run by a military dictator who has nothing but sympathy towards terrorists. Pakistan was one of the three countries who had officially recognized the rule of Taliban. Pakistan armed and trained Taliban (Well, with the help of American money first). Pakistan army and society are filled with Taliban supporters. Their nuclear scientist AQ Khan sold nuclear secrets to countries like Libya, Iran and N.Korea! Who are you kidding? Even George Bush knows that he can’t trust Pakistanis.
Did you forget the incident from early last year when one of our UAVs (Predator) fired at suspected Al Qaeda house without getting permission from Pakistani government?
George Bush has already done it – why blame Obama now and call him a loser?
Our foreign policies have much bigger impact in long run. We need to stop supporting or blaming based on our party affiliation!
Hello! Is there anybody in there?
You have to stop thinking of "allies" as being synonymous with "nice guys". It is not uncommon in the least for one country to side with another for protection or for support against a greater foe. To an extent they are kept at bay, but with Obama shooting off his mouth, they could drop all pretense and enter the fray with all their resources. Sound like a good plan to you, smart guy? I never said Musharraf was the fuckin' Queen of England, just an ally. Jeez Louise, deal in reality! You yourself speak of the tenuous relationship, yet you have no problem with a pretender like Obama trash talking? What the hell is wrong with you? If he wants to show how tough he is, why not direct his "courage" toward Ahmadinijad? He's more of a direct interference to our goals in Iraq than is Pakistan. I just read an AP report this morning of break away members of the Mahdi Army getting weapons and training in Iran to fight US and Iraqi troops. I've never heard of them getting such assistance from Pakistan. This is not to say that it doesn't happen as most believe bin Laden and his merry men to be hold up there, but it's a far cry from the convictions of our military leaders about Iranian intervention. So don't give me the song and dance about Pakistan. The problem is regarding Obama's perception and tough talking. That's the issue of this thread.
dude,
Don't give me your talking points on Iran, ok? This is what happens when you get the internetional news from radio talk show hosts!!
What's your problem in tough talk with Pakistan. You simply avoid the reality. Tell me - who trained those taliban scumbags? Iran? Wake up, dude!! Iran was against Taliban!! Did you know that?? Pakistan actually trained and supported taliban / Osama who eventually attacked us on Sept 11th. Not Iran!!
Yes, Iran is helping those guys fighting in Iraq today. We all know that. Why are you bringing your talking points on Iran again and again?
Pakistan needs to hear our voice clearly. You think they started raiding Waziristan region on their own? Listen - somebody from Bush administration did the tough talk and Pakistan listened!!
Obama is doing the same. And, more over, carefully read what he said. He didn't say he would simply invade Pakistan. He said he would take action only if Musharraf doesn't act on terrorists. Stop quoting him out of context because of your political bias. What Obama said is not different from what Bush would do (or, already did) !!!
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