What is verifiable: The Frosts own a home in Baltimore purchased for $55,000 sixteen years ago–and now worth an estimated $300,000. That’s a lot of equity. In addition, the children’s father, Halsey Frost, owns commercial real estate and his own small business, but chose not to buy health insurance for himself and his wife, whom he hired as an employee. She now apparently works freelance at a medical publishing firm, which also reportedly doesn’t offer insurance. Gemma and Graeme both attend expensive private schools; the Frosts have two other school-age children. Reid’s staff says Gemma and Graeme receive tuition breaks. But it’s not clear when those scholarships were instituted and/or whether the other two receive tuition aid as well. Moreover, Frost’s family comes from considerable means. The children’s maternal grandfather was an engineering executive. Their paternal grandparents hail from affluent Bronxville, New York, where the grandfather is a prominent facilities management consultant and chairman of the municipal planning board.
What the article does not mention is that Halsey Frost has owned his own company “Frostworks”,since this marriage announcement in the NY Times in 1992 so he chooses to not give himself insurance. He also employed his wife as “bookkeeper and operations management” prior to her recent 2007 hire at the “medical publishing firm”. As her employer, he apparently denied her health insurance as well.
His company, Frostworks, is located at 3701 E BALTIMORE ST. A building that was purchased for $160,000 in 1999…
…One has to wonder that if time and money can be found to remodel a home, send kids to exclusive private schools, purchase commercial property and run your own business… maybe money can be found for other things…maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes.
Again American....here is your working poor...when you keep adding and adding more people who choose to spend their money in other ways, there are less and less responsible people left to pay for it all. My house is not worth nearly 300K...I don't own other property. However, I am a responsible conservative that does not think my money is for me, and all my responsibilities will be taken care of by everyone else.
Tuesday, October 09, 2007
More on the family who can't afford Health insurrance...
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I'm going to outsource further work on this issue to noted moderate and (former?) Republican voter Joe Gandelman:
Those who support Bush and the group of win-one-for-our-team might perhaps focus their efforts countering arguments such as this [about SCHIP]. Then you’d have an actual back-and-forth debate over issues and come up with policy (which might be different from the existing bill).
But no, it’s easier to go after a 12 year-old. After all, these days, anyone who is in the way of an agenda has to be discredited so that no one listens to them anymore.
And also to well-read (and perhaps now former) Republican John Cole:
If you look through this family’s dossier, it appears they are doing everything Republicans say they should be doing- hell, their story is almost what you would consider a checklist for good, red-blooded American Republican voters: they own their own business, they pay their taxes, they are still in a committed relationship and are raising their kids, they eschewed public education and are doing what they have to do to get them into Private schools, they are part of the American dream of home ownership that Republicans have been pointing to in the past two administrations as proof of the health of the economy, and so on.
In short, they are a white, lower-middle-class, committed family, who is doing EVERYTHING the GOP Kultur Kops would have you believe people should be doing. They aren’t gay. They aren’t divorced. They didn’t abort their children. They aren’t drug addicts or welfare queens. They are property owners, entrepeneurs, taxpayers, and hard-working Americans. I bet nine times out of ten in past elections, if you handed this resume to a pollster, they would think you were discussing the prototypical Republican voter. Hell, the only thing missing from this equation is membership to a church and an irrational fear of Muslims and you HAVE the prototypical Bush voter.
They are, however, not without fault. They are unable to afford insurance through normal means (and now that they have pre-existing conditions, probably couldn’t get traditional insurance anyway), and managed to get several of their family members injured in a traumatic accident. And, it appears, those are the big blind spots for compassionate conservatism.
Congratulations, game.
Your vile posts denigrating a twelve year old American child, of hard-working parents virtually wishing that he should die of an accident without any access to life-saving basic medical care that is the right of any American, just demonstrates how low you will sink to emulate your masters.
Well, congratulations, game.
You've achieved the distinction of being as heartless and devoid of any common decency as the shirt laundress proved herself capable of being.
This may come as a shock to you, game, but in this neck of the woods we pay dearly for food, housing, services, etc. It is no one's fault that you cannot comprehend economies of scale and automatically assume everyone in the nation has it as cheap as you do, in your backwater...
You are deserving of no latitude, no leniency from any commenter here, for you regurgitated your hateful lies about this wonderful family and their brave child, were denounced and proven totally false, and then repeated the SAME slander again in yet another vengeful rant.
Perhaps we can expect you to go down to your county hospital's maternity ward, and turn the lights out so you save yourself a few more shekels in taxes?
The shirt laundress believes, if your kid gets sick, sell your house...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/washington/10memo.html
But no, it’s easier to go after a 12 year-old
That's how liberals do it. One one is attacking a 12 year old, they are attacking socialism and Democrats using victims and figures that they think Republicans will not attack. It is shameful.
"The Democrats are like an evil Robin Hood-- plunder the poor, to give to the middle class. It is completely unethical and disgusting."
Perhaps a Republican presidential candidate that will eliminate all income taxes will manifest himself, and jason, I KNOW you will be the first to campaign for him.
Won't you, jason?
Che Hashhole,
Why not eliminate income taxes? People earned their money. They should keep it, not you.
I think that's a hell of an idea, Herr Schoki-Arschloch, but you will STILL need to be paying back the money you have stolen for us, or you and yours will unfortunately not be able to join us for the celebrations!
A point the liberals have not made...nor conservatives...
This family DID qualify for the social medicine...Bush's veto would NOT have taken that away from them...
The veto would give people with even more wealth free health care.
Game,
Like this post I left over at Sister Toldjah where I quoted from a poster at Right Voices?
17, so alchemist, you think it is perfectly ok to tax the real working poor so that the Frosts do not have to make any lifestyle changes. Where is the fairness that the Frosts get to keep their 4 kids in private school and many of the taxpayers paying for the SCHIP benefits cannot afford to own commercial properties, put their kids in private schools, and putz at a hobby instead of getting a real job?
I’d like to quote David who commented at Right Voices, the 17th comment to this post.
” “I corrected the mistake that some of these bloggers made in overvaluing the house at $400,000-plus. It’s closer to $300,000.”
Actually, Zillow.com estimates the home’s value at $360,633–closer to $400,000 than $300,000.
And what’s that on the Maryland Department of Assessments and Taxation, BALTIMORE CITY Real Property Data Search? Says the house is NOT their “Principal Residence”! Could it be they own another residential property? Well, it could just be a mistake on the assessor’s form…
In any case, defining folks with $45,000 income (if that is truly the case), owners of commercial poroperty (who have income from renting it as well), business owners, etc., as “working poor” means I should have my “feddle gummint” and State checks coming in the mail Any Day Now…
“Working poor” MHWA…
Poor folks surely need help. Well-off folks sometimes do, too, but well-off folks like the Frosts have many other means beyond sucking at the public teat. “
Comment by PCD @ 10/10/2007 - 2:25 pm
A point the liberals have not made...nor conservatives...
This family DID qualify for the social medicine...Bush's veto would NOT have taken that away from them..
I don't think anyone's claiming that, Game. In fact, the kid's radio address was pretty explicit: "We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don't have CHIP, and they wouldn't get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt."
You should also read some of the real news reports instead of continuing to rely on Malkin, Rush, and the Freepers.
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