I am not sure why liberals hate religion so much and want it taken out of public life. Government represents the will of the people. It represents their beliefs. Even though liberals have been successful at removing a great deal of religion from public life, it is unnatural and is not the way our founding fathers wanted it.
Morons come on here and can't even say who they are, make stupid claims with no facts, hoping that their wish to not look at any religious symbols or thoughts in any government building someday comes true.
Maybe its the fact that liberal thought needs to be free from religion, otherwise you would feel pretty damn guilty when you analyze what your failed social policies have done to the morality of the people you pretend you want to help.
Here are some great examples of religion in our government:
A stained glass window of George Washington praying, in the chapel in the U.S. Capitol
A phrase from Lord Tennyson in the rotunda of the Library of Congress
Moses with the Ten Commandments inside the Supreme Court's courtroom
An excerpt from Virginia's Statute of Religious Freedom, authored by Thomas Jefferson, on the wall of the Jefferson Memorial
An excerpt from Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural speech carved into the interior of the Lincoln Memorial
That is just a small percentage. That does not even include all the writings of our founding FATHERS. This country NEEDS to remember what our founding fathers thought. Maybe we shouldn't be afraid of religion. Instead, use it as a guide like they did. That would not allow us to keep allowing large amounts of people to remain without any skill, responsibility or sense of civic pride. That would be a good thing as well
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"I am not sure why liberals hate religion so much and want it taken out of public life." what a moron! (since we're tossing this word around. this is why i choose to remain anonymous since you insist on using ad hominem attacks on those who disagree with you.)
"liberals" don't want religion out of public life. I know of nobody who wants religion out of public life. Church is public, shopping malls are public. only morons like bill o'reilly and sean hannity really believe that liberals want religion out of public life. 95% of the country knows this is an absurd statement.
"Maybe its the fact that liberal thought needs to be free from religion" what a moron! you toss around this other word, "fact", and in this statement alone, you have shown that you have no credibility when it comes to "facts." this isn't a fact. it's another absurdity.
"That would not allow us to keep allowing large amounts of people to remain without any skill, responsibility or sense of civic pride." what a moron! i don't even know what you think you are trying to prove on this one.
i have no problem with your examples of our great leaders invoking god in their speeches and writings. i have the utmost respect for their belief in god as i'm sure they would have for mine. (btw i notice not one of your pictures mentions accepting jesus christ as their personal lord and savior.)
The supreme court building shows the ten commandments and the code of hammurabi and confucious among other historical symbols of law. the point is not religion. it is that the great civilizations are based on laws. you know, like our constitution and the bill of rights.
you know the bill of rights? the way in which our founding fathers balanced the "will of the people" with the rights of the individual?
the bill of rights: read it. learn it. live it.
You are confusing "Freedom of Religion" with "Government Endorsement of Christianity".
Yeah! It's not like the Bible tells us to take care of the sick, the poor, the downtrodden, or the foreigners.
"Maybe its the fact that liberal thought needs to be free from religion..."
Shows your pure ignorance and blind hatred towards those with a different view on world.
Yea - Keep doing it.
You can't stand any different views on important issues like national security, education, tax system, welfare, civil liberties, fredom, equal rights, science, etc. right? So much for your faith driven life!
That's right...I can't sit here and play dumb to the destruction liberalism had done to so many people over the last 40 years.
I watch it every single day.
Scores and scores of people who have no skills, no sense of civic pride or duty, people who hate America.
I have already shown, over, and over and over and over and over again how liberalism had destroyed the inner cities, but it doesn't matter what proof is given, what facts are presented...you never had an answer, never a solution...because YOUR solutions cause more problems.
Put up the projects, give people welfare, create a permament underclass...and think you are doing something good.
Your guys real problem is that you have no issues anymore. You worry about a nativity or a Christmas tree at city hall. Why? Because you have nothing left. You have to subscribe to the religion of global warming as your cause, even though you will have to abandon it in a few years as more and more scientist start saying what I have been saying since the beginning.
Your whole movement is a fraud. It doesn't help anyone, you are lost and must create places to go...
"Your solutions cause more problems..." Yea, right!
Watch this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLHI0b43xa4&NR=1
Since this exchange, 3000 more american soldiers have lost lives over there. Almost like another 9/11. Again, you and your blind ideology would never get it. Yes - you have better solutions!
"Scores and scores of people who have no skills, no sense of civic pride or duty, people who hate America." but i bet most of them go to church on sundays.
how did we get off on this topic anyway. like you always complain about...stay on point. you're changing the subject since you apparently have no answer to the above comments.
"You worry about a nativity or a Christmas tree at city hall." no YOU worry about those things. we don't. i don't give a shit particularly about them. they don't belong at city hall but you won't find me suing anybody about it. i've got more important things to think about. the one or two people who insist on holding their local government to the letter of the law have nothing better to do, but they ARE within their rights under the first amendment of the constitution, you know that "original document."
only you and bo worry about these incidents because apparently it's all you've got to complain about. you apparently have an "i am a victim" mentality because a nativity scene at your church or home just isn't good enough.
foust: It's not like the Bible tells us to take care of the sick, the poor, the downtrodden, or the foreigners.
Do this on your own dime. Don't dip into my pockets to do this, especially with regressive FDR-style payroll taxes.
"The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government." -- James Madison
jason, if you don't want to pay your taxes, you are more than welcome to make your way to a less demanding nation, and build your career there
either that, or run the ron paul juggernaut
bpth sides are exaggerating
the atheist fanatics exaggerate the influence of religion in American culture
the nutty wingnuts exaggerate the amount of important the liberal establishment places on the entire issue
therefore, most rational Americans see the controversy for the foolishness it has been made into
anonymous--
Ron Paul is a total kook. Libertarians are basically a freak show of 911 troofers, militia nuts, Ayn Rand worshippers, anarchists, and conspiracy theorists. I'm insulted you would compare me to them!
I have no problem in principle with government regulation. I have no problem in principle with the government providing a good or a service. So national parks are ok, funding scientific research is ok, regulating polluters is ok when done sensibly, etc. Even though it is important to remember the government is taking **our money** through taxation, the government does have the right to tax.
So what's my beef?
I have a problem with compulsory universal plans. That is, Soviet nonsense like outlawing private health insurance as they do in Canada, or forcing people to enroll in social security, or placing restrictions on alternative education. So while I do not believe in getting rid of the government, I do not believe the government should have unlimited power either. Government should have limitations placed upon it, which is why I speak of limited government.
"outlawing private health insurance"
don't believe this could be done or would be done. who would want to do it? it's a free market and anybody willing to pay for private health insurance will get it.
"forcing people to enroll in social security"
sorry about that, but it's probably the most successful, self-funding government program of all time.
"placing restrictions on alternative education"
what restrictions?
"I do not believe the government should have unlimited power either."
then why have you been supportive of the bush-cheney administration?
Wow. Far too many stupid comments from all the anons here. Or are they all the same goofball?
It's true what the goofball said about the Moses carving, but it's one out of more than was shown. No points there.
It's really dishonest to say that the left hasn't done damage with regards to freedom of religion. How many towns and municipalities have been forced to change their names or seals to placate the anti-God crowd? How many teachers balk at any mention of Christianity for fear of transgressing some mythical separation of church and state? The fact is, the very notion that there is no "war on Christmas" or "war on religion" is in itself an attack on the religious as if they are imagining the whole thing. It indeed suits the agenda of the left to have God removed from the public sphere, as so much of their agenda conflicts with the righteous teachings of mainstream Judeo-Christian thought.
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