CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Two civil liberties groups sued in federal court Wednesday to remove a picture of Jesus that has hung in a high school for more than 30 years.
Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the West Virginia American Civil Liberties Union say the painting, "Head of Christ," sends the message that Bridgeport High School endorses Christianity as its official religion.
You know damn well that if it was ANY other religious figure or symbol, no problem....and how does having a picture of Jesus force anyone to practice a certain religion...
here is the line that really gets me:
Public schools cannot promote specific religious ideas.
So, no talk about right and wrong, no talk about doing the right thing, being kind, cooperative, nice...I believe no one ever taught that to many of the kids I see in public school....things were A LOT better before liberals started attacking Jesus...Is it just a coincidence that schools had much less behavior problems back when teachers were allowed to do a little teaching about right and wrong, maybe even mention Jesus once and awhile...
Liberals have completely bastardized the meaning of the separation of church and state...why was there sooooooo much religious references back when this country was founded?
Thursday, June 29, 2006
Kick Jesus out of school!!!!
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very nice...I'm sure Ron is very mad at you now...he was very religious yesterday...I guess not today
game, we've been through this one before. you've seen the post that I posted to Ron's blog about this very thing.
We don't have tax $ to spend on this bullshit.
Move along, little bunny, will ya please? It's been run into the ground already, this subject.
game said: So, no talk about right and wrong, no talk about doing the right thing, being kind, cooperative, nice...I believe no one ever taught that to many of the kids I see in public school....
My religion teaches all of the above, and then some.
GWB has told the country that I can't practice it anywhere.
Fuck you.
Christians have no monopoly on right or wrong.
Where was this soooooooooooo much religious references back when the country was founded? Can you provide some examples?
Why didn't they put it into the Constitution? I mean they wrote what they meant and meant what they wrote, didn't they?
I agree with you completely, Jim. I'm a "we hold these truths to be self-evident" Republican, not a blood and soil Republican.
I despise the Churchie wing of the Republican party, but as long as the Democrats continue to push Osama bin Laden's foreign policy agenda, I'll have to put up with the knuckleheads.
dedanna, you don't have a clue...you are hysterical and you don't even make sense...
and Jim either doesn't have a clue or had a liberal history teacher...you guys are getting one hundred percent pathetic...
here is the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE OF THE DECLORATION OF INDEPENDANCE....when do you get embarrassed for what you guys say...how wrong you are, how you get mentally beat down every single day...
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
President George Washington, September 17th, 1796
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible"
His Prayer At Valley Forge "Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee."
"Bless O Lord the whole race of mankind, and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy Son, Jesus. "Of all dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens."
"To the distinguished character of a Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of a Christian."
Patrick Henry
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations."
Benjamin Franklin Address at the Constitutional Convention Thursday June 28, 1787
"I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?
President John Adams
"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."
President Thomas Jefferson
"The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart."
President John Quincy Adams
"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."
John Jay, 1777 The first Chief Justice of the United States
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and the interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
James Madison
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments." David Barton's book The Myth of Separation
The people that founded this country were deeply religious, they understood how important is was, and liberals like you who have no clue what you are EVER talking about has taken one of the cornerstones, one of the building blocks of this once great nation...now we can't even mention Jesus in school, can have a picture...its pathetic and sad...much like the fact you liberals have no clue that religion was a key value in this countries creation...you have no clue and never will
jim said... Why didn't they put it into the Constitution?
The Bill of Rights (part of the constitution):
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What the United States was founded upon
Now, who doesn't have a clue
Thank you for the examples (note that the Patrick Henry quote is in dispute since it supposedly was given in 1765 and refers to "this nation". At the time there was no "nation". Virginia was a colony.)
Everyone knows God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Why isn't He mentioned in the Constitution?
Thaaat's right...schools were MUCH better back when no one was attacking Jesus...like when they were segregated...that was a GREAT era for American education.
Bottom line, it's a moot point to consider what would've been done if it had been another religious icon's picture, because it would never BE another religious icon. I guess the other demonitations understand that there's a place for public education, and there's a place to worship...and that they are not the same place. Poor, poor, persecuted Christians, WILL you ever find a place to worship?
dedanna has no clue what the first ammendment means obviously...how does a picture of jesus establish a religion...what law is being made forcing people to go to catholic church...sad
Game, before you accuse people of not having a clue, you should get some edu-ma-catin' yourself. It shows an immense amount of ignorance to claim knowledge of some ultimate "truth" regarding the Constitution and the first ammendment while disregarding two centuries of controversy and debate over how the establishment clause should be interpreted. To characterize your view as "obvious" shows incredible arrogance.
Show me your law degree and proof of 25 years or more of practice or scholarship of Constitutional law, and I might take your opinion on the subject seriously.
well, then we can have no debate...
do you have a law degree?
after all those quotes will you atleast agree the founding fathers thought very highly of religion, spoke of it often, and if they did that now, they would have the ACLU all over their ass...
I would not dispute that founding fathers thought very highly of religion, spoke of it often. I don't know how often they spoke of it, but there are quotes. (The Patrick Henry quote is disputed, fyi).
However, the ACLU claim is ludicrous. Simply inane. Similar references to religion are spoken by our elected officials everyday without legal consequence. Just a really stupid claim.
so you are saying that the ten commandments would be in the SCOTUS if it was built or founded today....NO WAY, that ACLU would never let it in there, but back when people accepted religion it was fine...
and you really, really believe that when a pic or jesus, or when a xmas play was put on 100 years ago, people complained...come on Jim, get a clue.
That's not what you said. You are talking about something totally different. That's a bait and switch.
Again
This country was not founded nor built upon christianity.
And, a lot of people consider Jesus to be god.
It would be un-fucking-fair and unconstitutional to everyone in the u.s. if in any governmental institution we posted Jesus or any other religious head.
I would never dare do that to anyone, whether it be in a gov't institution or not -- I won't let my version of religion be pushed onto anyone else. They have their own.
Just common courtesy if nothing else.
I guess you have none, game (but then that's been obvious for quite some time).
Thank you, kara btw --
my sentiments exactly.
Per your own discriminatory remarks here, your screams of "outrage" on the "liberals/blacks are racist" thread are being ignored from here on out.
You have NO room to talk.
That was for game, btw.
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