Here is a man who loves the United States. A man who definitely wants us to do our best. A man who could easily be the spokes person for any terrorist group. He gives comfort and hope for terrorists worldwide. He is headed down the Cindy Sheehan road. A person who has/had sympathy for prior life struggles, but has used up that collateral and much more based on current actions. Examples here:
American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.
Murtha also has publicly said that the shooting of 24 Iraqis in November at Haditha, a city in the Anbar province of western Iraq that has been plagued by insurgents, was wrongfully covered up.
The killings, which sparked an investigation into the deadly encounter and another into whether they were the subject of a cover-up, could undermine U.S. efforts in Iraq more than the prison abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib in 2004, Murtha said.
"(The United States) became the target when Abu Ghraib came along," Murtha said.
Murtha is admitting here that his public bitching about the military has cost American lives. The military has taken care of every case that has come up, and Murtha bitching when he knows nothing and makes accusations that he has no proof of (cover up theory) kills Americans, period.
Yes, this is the same old comment made by this blog master, because Dem's keep saying things almost every day to show their hate for the military, hate for us fighting terrorists, and hope that we can lose this war.
Murtha is admitting here that his public bitching about the military has cost American lives. The military has taken care of every case that has come up, and Murtha bitching when he knows nothing and makes accusations that he has no proof of (cover up theory) kills Americans, period.
Yes, this is the same old comment made by this blog master, because Dem's keep saying things almost every day to show their hate for the military, hate for us fighting terrorists, and hope that we can lose this war.
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Murtha reminds me of the guy who once said this, "The administration is considering what is tantamount to a cut-and-run strategy... But it would be a disaster and a disgraceful betrayal of principle to speed up the process simply to lay the groundwork for a politically expedient withdrawal of American troops." -- John Kerry, 2004 campaign.
Proving that you don't know what you are talking about...the killings in Haditha took place last fall. An investigation was done by the Marine Corps. The results of that investigation were covered up. Murtha didn't invent all this. He was told about this by people in the military who knew that the incident would come to light sooner or later and the longer it took, the worse it would look. It was covered up for almost 6 months until the military revealed it.
Why does the military hate the military?
Game said, "Murtha is admitting here that his public bitching about the military has cost American lives." Where in you post or your source does Murtha "admit" such a thing?
Game said, "The military has taken care of every case that has come up, and Murtha bitching when he knows nothing and makes accusations that he has no proof of (cover up theory) kills Americans, period."
You are terribly uninformed. Half of the story here is a coverup. The information about the incident and the coverup came to Murtha from his contacts in the military.
To claim that Dems "show their hate for the military, hate for us fighting terrorists, and hope that we can lose this war" is just plain absurd slander.
what was covered up?
the investigation was covered up?
the results?
what?
From the Washington Post of June 11, 2006:
"A criminal investigation looking into possible charges of murder against half a dozen Marines is underway. A separate probe is examining whether Marines tried to cover up the shootings, and whether commanders were negligent in failing to investigate the deaths.
Three Marine officers have been relieved of command."
so there MIGHT have been something done...and it wasn't the military as a whole, possibly some people....man, you want to cheer against the military...the military took care of it...so what is the problem except a hate for the military
NOBODY, not I, not Murtha, not ANYBODY, that means NOBODY was criticizing "the military as a whole". People are criticizing those who might have acted illegally and immorally, AND those who would cover that up. In NO WAY does that define "the military" or "the military as a whole" except in your small mind.
It is false, slanderous, dishonest, republic framing excrement. Nobody believes you anymore when you keep insisting falsely that any criticism of the war, individual soldiers, or the Pentagon's execution of the war is a criticism of our fighting men and women.
Everyone knows that it is false, slanderous, dishonest, republic framing excrement.
"American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon."
This goofy story is being investigated as I write. Murtha never said any such thing, not in Miami, not anywhere else, not ever. Look for Arizona Star and Sun-Sentinel to publish the appropriate corrections in their papers. Knight Rider picked up this story over the weekend. They'll drop it like a hot potato in the next couple hours. Elizabeth Baier, the author of this story, will be wondering what the big deal is about making up stuff and reporting it as news. If anyone here has contacts at The National Enquirer, perhaps now would be a good time to email her. I suspect she's going to need a new job soon. Write condolences and "buck up!" note to her at: ebaier@sun-sentinel.com
well, post the link if that happens...
but since I wrote this post based on what was reported...it is very appropriate to say that making such a comment is harmful to the whole military...even if you are only talking about a small part of it.
Since the enemy takes these quotes to show how weak our country is, it is very harmful and he knows that...he wants to weaken our military and our cause, or he wouldn't say this crap every day
"Since the enemy takes these quotes to show how weak our country is, it is very harmful and he knows that...he wants to weaken our military and our cause, or he wouldn't say this crap every day"
I could NOT agree more. This is a followup to my post yesterday. Seems Elizabeth Baier is the one giving comfort to the enemy by saying Murtha said what he did not.
I've written the Florida International University Public Relations folks asking them to preserve their audio/video recording of this event they sponsored for Murtha to speak at.
Were I in Sun-Sentinel's shoes, I'd sit still as a mouse, hoping this will all blow over without much more fuss. Elizabeth Baier quotes Murtha several times in her Breaking World News (Brit Hume of Fox News as well as the Wall Street Joural have taken Baier's ball and run with it) claims of what Murtha, as well as others, said. When direct quotes are used, it's often the case the reporter has recorded the event, in order to make certain their quotes are accurate. What initially drew my attention was her lack of quotes for what she claims Murtha said in her first paragraph.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story
Shortly after reading the Sun Sentinel story, I googlenews'ed "Murtha Miami Iran Nuclear"
Among the dozens of hits quoting Ms. Baier indexed within a few hours of the Sun Sentinel's earth shaking expose' of Murtha's talk, I found another article published by the Miami Herald.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/14896189.htm
You will notice, this writer totally missed Murtha's "shot heard around the world" (technorati now has 400+ hits for what Ms. Baier claims Murtha said.)
On the unlikely chance Ms. Baier did *not* quote Murtha from a recording she made at the event ... reread my first paragraph.
I've sent inquiries to the entire editorial boards of the Sun Sentinel, Wall Street Journal, Arizona Sun Star and Miami Herald, as well as Knight Ridder, asking them to persue any copy of any recording of this event, in persuit of the real news story, Elizabeth Baier.
It shouldn't take more than a day, or three, for Ms Baier to experience personally, what she felt entitled to foist on John Murtha's head. Whether you like or despise John Murtha is no longer the story. The real story is ... just how far has mainstream media sunk? Is Jerry Springer Journalism the new standard for reporters? I spent a few hours on the phone with a friend of mine who is editor for a news site. I'm letting him run with this ball. You can follow how this story develops at:
http://theinfozone.net/
chancuff
For those of you who haven't seen Murtha's press release, here's the link.
http://www.house.gov/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr062706.html
The link Murtha refers to in his release,
www.theinfozone.net
..belongs to an online acquaintance of mine, James Murray. Last Sunday night he emailed me the story DrudgeReport linked to at the Arizona Star, which was a reprint of the Sun-Sentinel story by Elizabeth Baier. The Sun-Sentinel story had only been up a few hours then. When I read that story I was puzzled. It just didn't sound like something Murtha would say.
That got me poking around with google news, which lead to further circumstantial evidence that this story, as reported by Elizabeth Baier, was malarkey. I wrote my friend at theinfozone, who had sent me the story, with what I was discovering.
The further I poked the more interesting things became. I decided I enjoyed the hunt more than story telling, so I kept passing onto James what I had found, leting him craft it into a story. James, being the experienced newsman, pursued this story with the folks at the Sun-Sentinel, as well as Murtha's Congressional Office, while I continued to dig. This story is still unfolding at James site, www.theinfozone.net.
I've spent the last two days and nights exchanging emails with hundreds of media outlets all over the country.
Sorry, Adriana, I really meant to include you in the loop, but until Murtha published his press release, there really wasn't much to write you about. The story that I was following was of interest to me, but hardly something that would catch the eye of your readers, the story being Elizabeth Baier, and not John Murtha.
If you use technorati.net to do a search using the terms "murtha iran miami nuclear" you can follow my footsteps as I worked my way through the blogsphere waging my private battle against "Jerry Springer Journalism", the term I used in dozens of my responses to bloggers citing the Sun-Sentinel story.
The Sun-Sentinel will be posting their correction tomorrow. The Arizona Star will likely do the same.
My self assignment for the next couple days is pursuing Brit Hume at Fox News to publish the appropriate correction for this story, since his sole source was quite wrong.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201054,00.html
I was shocked to see Fox News publish Brit's story without one stitch of verification to see if it was true.
..and then move onto the interesting task of nudging the Wall Street Journal to do the right thing with this story,
"The South Florida Sun-Sentinel quoted Mr. Murtha as claiming that the "American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran.""
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008569
Ms Baier may have suffered a bad case of Jerry Springer Journalism, but John Lund's story requires a new category, Sam Kinison Journalism. I've collected hundreds of email addresses of professors of Journalism, worldwide, so they can play moderator, if their services are required.
The battles against Jerry Springer Journalism continues.
Wish me godspeed.
Cliff Hancuff
The statement from the paper has been recended and it has been noted that he was quoting a pew study. but when you are so anxious to hate I guess that doesnt matter....the enemy sees freedom of speech and dissent in this country and knows they will never take our country. If anything they are cheering you guys and your effort to silence everything but state approved speech. That is what they want.
There are a whole lot more things going on behind the scenes with this story than have yet been reported, anywhere. Quite a few people far beyond Ms. Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause have shot themselves in the foot.
Write Diana Irey, John Murtha's Republican oponent, asking her about the letter I sent her today.
email: Diana@Irey.com
Cliff Hancuff
The World Of Journalism Is Flat, Too
Looking at the large number of blog posts I've placed throughout the blogsphere in the last 2 weeks, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking they look like spam.
My apologies to all.
Some interesting things happened today. I received an email response from Bill Pasco(e) of Diana Irey's campaign against John Murtha for the 12th District of Pennsylvania seat in the House of Representatives.
In responding Mr. Pascoe's email, I found it useful to CC that response to him to Elizabeth Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause (Managing Editor Sun-Sentinel).
The topic of those emails was "Rovian Architecture Unplugged". If you are interested to learn more, feel free to write them.
Make "Rovian Architechure Unplugged" your subject heading so they know what your inquiry is about.
Their email addresses:
Bill Pascoe
bill@irey.com
Elizabeth Baier
ebaier@sun-sentinel.com
Sharon Rosenhause
srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com
Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
http://murthamustgo.blogspot.com/
Administrative: First item of business is to get our website up and
running in a credible way. Amanda Prewett Doss of Texarkana, TX, who
handled the '04 campaign, has been engaged to be our website manager,
and she has already purchased our domain name
http://www.murthalied.com/ What we need to do now it to develop the
download folder from which our volunteers will obtain the flyers that
they will post on their display boards. PLEASE keep your eyes open for
ANYTHING that could be used (to defeat) Murtha. For the time being,
send what you find to me; I have asked a very literate friend to stand
by to extract the most salient quotes for posting in large font on our
display boards.
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