When we talk about why the govt has no money.....well, here ya go.
Man, this country is really over when people like the most far left Presidential candidate for 2008 gets his way. How much money is the govt supposed to spend on people who can not take care of themselves...
And give me ANY evidence that government run health care will be better than we have now...
We will have...
WAY less doctors and hospitals because the govt will lower payments to doctors, which will...
mean longer waits to get treatment, longer waits to have surgery...just ask Canadians...
The whole country will have to get the service people who have HMO's bitch about.
The cheapest possible treatment available, which doesn't solve the persons problems, which results in many more doctor visits.
Forget about preventative health care...
I am a health care professional...I know all about this...
I also know that the role of govt is to protect us and provide the people with things they can not do by one's self...and no, that is not health care...
that is things like roads and water treatment plants, police, fire, ect...
There are more and more illegals, more and more people looking for a handout...the responsible people who work are about to get screwed again...
and yes rhyno, ANYONE who wants to get a job with health insurance should be able to get one...EVERYONE I hang out with has insurance, and I don't have any friends over 30...some of them don't have college degree's and they still have jobs with insurance...so don't give me the sob story how you or others work so hard and have no insurance...its your fault.
Tuesday, July 25, 2006
Feingold would give states sway over health care
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let me get the one argument out of the way that the left will give that is correct, but still proves my point...
poor ignorant people who don't have insurance wait until they are very sick then go to the ER...that is true.
But that still proves my point that it is poor irresponsible people who bring down the things responsible people need...the govt should not be spending all its money because someone comes here illegally and doesn't want to go to school or speak english...or because someone in the inner city decides to go to school half the time and cant read...why should money from MY PACKCHECK go to that...
Dump Hillary! Go Comrade Feingold!
Dude, I havent talked to a single Canadian that has ever waited longer for anything than we do here.
Oh, and I never said any such thing. My comment was that you cant state that people dont have insurance, solely, because they dont work hard. Some of us didnt choose a path in an endless loop, or one rigidly held by labor unions. Some of us worked in the real world where you compete for jobs with no job security beyond what some arbitrary upper management tool deems your worth. Rarely was insurance ever part of the prize, unless, you managed to find a rare job in the middle rungs of the IT field that was permanent. I dont say this as a sob story, but to show you that their are rewarding and difficult fields out there that dont share the coddling teachers get from a labor union, or the anonymity of a mindless cube job.
it is poor irresponsible people who bring down the things responsible people need
You make several erroneous and dangerous assumptions all in that one statement.
For one, you conflate poverty with irresponisbility. The two are not always or even mostly connected. I don't have to look around very far in my own family, for example, to see people who are irresponsible but doing fine for themselves, or people struggling who have a stronger work ethic than I do.
For another, you assume that the uninsured (ie, the irresponsible poor) are the root cause of our system's failure. They are not. Yes, we pay a cost (through taxes and high premiums) for those who cannot pay for themselves. But that cost is simply not enough to explain why A) we spend a full 16% of our GDP on health care and 2) why medical inflation is consistently two to five times inflation reflected in the CPI.
For a third, you assume that people with insurance (the responsible people) are doing just fine. They are not. More than 60% of people with medical debt were insured at the time that debt was incurred. I'm not sure if you're just going to dismiss them as irresponsible, too . . .
Not to mention the assertion in the post proper that "ANYONE who wants to get a job with health insurance should be able to get one." Again, reality doesn't bear that out: The number of employers offering insurance as a benefit is falling, off more than 15% since 2000. It's getting harder and harder to find that job with health bennies, regardless of what the limited sample that is your peer group may tell you.
And, finally, you demand, "give me ANY evidence that government run health care will be better than we have now." I can do that; in fact, I did that in the comments to this post at Milwaukee Id10t, so you can just read it there. Or you can get the summary now: Medicare (the largest government-run health plan in the US) is more efficent in terms of spending on care instead of paperwork; it has higher satisfaction rates than private insurance; it covers more than most private insurance; and its costs grow more slowly than private health care.
I don't know what more evidence you need. Maybe you need to look at what those awful socialists in France have done to provide more doctors, more beds, longer life, and lower infant mortality all at half the cost of what we do (and with no waiting or rationing). I'd say that is evidence that government-run health care certainly can be better than what we have now.
Jay..
of course..it is not that 100% of lazy irresponsible people are poor...and I know ONE person who works hard and is lower-middle class...
but I am right about 95% of'em
I am not focusing on ALL the reasons health care is so high..and I think NO ONE knows the answer...people without health care who go the ER, people that don't pay is CLEARLY part of it...
Canada health care...suck
England....suck
Japan...suck
Naturally, game, you skip over key elements of the story simply to promote your meme about how liberals are outragious are out to destroy America.
Nobody knows exactly how a government run, single payer program will work, but it's worth looking into. That's what this is all about. From your article:
The senator's proposed $32 billion, 10-year legislation, which Feingold said he will introduce this week in Congress, is meant to provide funding to a handful of pilot states that experiment with models of universal medical coverage at the state level. The plan coincides with a burst of state initiatives from Massachusetts to New Mexico and Tennessee.
Feingold's proposal foresees the creation of a non-partisan Health Care Reform Task Force that will review state applications and initially dole out five-year grants to two or three states with plans that qualify.
"Maybe they will all work, maybe none will work," Feingold said. "But that doesn't mean everyone has to do it identically."
You have no proof and probably no evidence for the mythical ills of government health care that you rant about.
Japan is still better than us, though far more complicated than a France or Germany.
I believe in the free market..but I will admit, current health care costs are OUT OF CONTROL...I know my company pays 1600 a month for mine...that is bullshit...I am a healthy male in my late 20's for christ sake...I use about 200 bucks of health care in a whole year...and MPS pays $20,000...amazing
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