Tuesday, August 28, 2007

MSNBC, CNBC Refuse to Run Pro-War Ads

There is nothing wrong with the ad.
But it is offensive to all the liberals who run these stations.
But I thought conservatives were "really" in charge of the networks. That is the lame line liberals give the hundreds of times I show media bias.
So, wouldn't the conservatives and their Zionist masters allow for this ad to be put on the air?
Oh wait, liberals really run the networks and the media, so they have to do everything they can to stifle conservative ideas.


Realism said...

So you are conceding that they were displaying a conservative bias when they were refusing to air the anti war ads, yes?

Because I'd be more than happy to compare the number of anti war ads that have been denied vs the number of pro war ads that have been denied.

By your logic, if the networks are denying the anti war ads more than the pro war ads, that would indicate a conservative, or more accurately, a warmongering bias.

The Game said...

You have to look at them one by one...see what the reason is for not letting them on the air. If the anti-war ads are full of lies or graphic material, then it would make sense not to run them.

hashfanatic said...

Reality check:


Four of five members of the board of a campaign promoting President Bush's policies in the Iraq war are Republican Jews.

The board of "Freedom's Watch" includes Ari Fleischer, Bush's former press secretary; Matt Brooks, the executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition; Bradley Blakeman, a senior White House staffer in Bush's first term; and Mel Sembler, a longtime RJC leader and former ambassador to Rome.

Brooks told JTA that the fifth member, William Weidner, a casino operator in Las Vegas, is not Jewish. However, Weidner's wife, Lynn, is Jewish and is active in that city's federation. Blakeman is the group's president.

Brooks said it would be a mistake to regard the group as having a Jewish direction.

"It's a coincidence that several of the board members are Jewish," he said, noting that half of the donors contributing to the group's first $15 million ad campaign are not Jewish."

Good for MSNBC! They realize they are an AMERICAN network, not an Israeli one!

Of course, this will mean they will be FORCED to carry their dirty commercials. In fact, I'm sure they will demand a no-fee arrangement, on threat of squawks and lawsuits and Abraham Foxman.

Tried to tell you clowns why we were REALLY in this war...

Jason H. Bowden said...

To all of the Democrats here-- how can you guys tolerate people like hashfanatic in your ranks?

hashfanatic said...

Jason, what makes you think I'm a Democrat in the first place?

Bad form, Mr. Bowden, very bad form.

I'm very disappointed. And I don't handle disappointment well....

Realism said...

Jason, even if he were a Dem, weren't you one of the people decrying the supposed ideological totalitarianism in the Democratic party?

I always hear Republicans talking about how dems are not willing to tolerate any dissent and how Dems are so intolerant of any differing viewpoints.

Now, here is someone who, if he were a Democrat, would be expressing opinions out of the Democratic mainstream, and you expect us to expunge him from the party for not being ideologically pure enough?

I wish more democrats had the ability to challenge the centrist, corporate-facist enabling policies of the Democrats instead of just enabling Republicans.

Basically the Dems and Republicans are merrily walking our country down the path to a totalitarian, corporate controlled fascist state with the vast majority of Americans serving as wage slaves to serve the wealthy. I respect Hashfanatic for recognizing that fact.

The Game said...


Realism said...

Would you prefer that I blame whitey?

Marshall Art said...

"Jason, what makes you think I'm a Democrat in the first place?"

He's right, Jason. Hashdude is truly a unique animal. He's a special Olympian. They broke the mold when he was created. Unfortunately he was still in it at the time and suffered severe cranial damage. But he's one in a million.

Jason H. Bowden said...


I'd like to agree with you, but I read this crypto-fascist stuff about the Jooos on the Daily Kos all of the time.

I don't think it is accidental. The intellectual source of the New Left, Karl Marx himself wrote in Der Judenfrage that

"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry."

Marx reiterates this at the end of the work:

"Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.

The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism."

The Jew symbolizes everything socialists hate about capitalism. And given their paranoid worldview where the corporations control the government behind the cover of darkness, the national socialism in the style of the NAZI Party becomes almost irresistible.

Jason H. Bowden said...


I thought that David Duke-style kooks were not a legitimate part of the discussion within leftist circles. You can get banned in places like DemocraticUnderground for bashing Hugo Chavez. But if hate Bush, capitalism, and traditional morality, all sins are forgiven, even the Hitlerish ones.

And yes, hash is a Democrat. Being cynical is part of being on the left-- if they are happy campers, why would they be obsessed with "hope?"

Realism said...


So let me get this straight:

When Hash criticizes the ideology of a certain small subset of Jews, he's bigoted against Jews, but when millions of right wingers criticize all Muslims because of the ideology of a certain small subset of Muslims, they are just clear minded realists?

I guess intellectual consistency is just not something we should expect from Republicans

hashfanatic said...

Exactly, realism (and thank you).

Jason thinks he's scored some sort of goal by finding a chink in my armor-my willingness to criticize Israel, a seriously, politically incorrect, fatal move in Jason's neocon circles.

The strategic difference is that I'm not beholden to Jason's masters, nor am I building a fresh internet persona based on the promotion of another nation's interests. Jason cannot, at this point in his development, stand to discover his idols have feet of clay.

As far as the Muslim hate and endless bashing, they don't see themselves as morally accountable for any of that. Their media figures dictate their personal moral systems, and it IS moral relativism.

Blood is blood. Americans should have no hand or involvement in the slaughter of either side.

Jason H. Bowden said...


It is obvious to everyone that Hash is obsessed with the Jooos, and sees their greedy slimy fingers in every topic and context.

Israel, like every country, isn't perfect and doesn't always get things right. This is a bit different than believing in fascist conspiracy theories about secret Jew power, and equating Israel, a liberal democracy, with the worst of dark age theocracies.

I've seen the rationalizations before, for example in academic boycotts of Israel. They rationalize their Jew-hate by claiming they oppose Zionism, not Judaism. This is phony and fools no one except naive students.

Why do Muslim Supremacists feel compelled to fight to Jews? Osama bin Laden himself made it quite clear:

"We are certain that we shall - with the grace of Allah - prevail over the Americans and over the Jews, as the Messenger of Allah promised us in an authentic prophetic tradition when He said the Hour of Resurrection shall not come before Muslims fight Jews and before Jews hide behind trees and behind rocks."

No one takes these people at their word. The Western media clings to the Marxist dogma that economics determines events, and America just wants everyone's oil, and the jihadists, as Michael Moore put it, are the "Minutemen." That countries like Syria invite David Duke to do state speeches about the Jooos should be a big clue about what this crowd is about. However, when the left gets bogged down in moral equivalence, one man's Hitler worshiper becomes another man's freedom fighter, as evidenced clearly in this thread.

Realism said...

Your post contains two logical fallacies.

First, you are overgeneralizing. Just because a person might detest a certain subset of a certain group does not mean that the person hates the entire group.

When I hear some people making this argument, I have to think that it's more a reflection of their own thinking. I've heard many on the right make this accusation about the left (anti-semitism). At the same time, the same people on the right will use that thinking process themselves, when contemplating the relationship between radical fundamentalist Muslim terrorists and Muslims in general. Just because a person hates a specific group of people of a specific ideology that happen to be Jewish doesn't mean that person hates Jewish people in general.

Also, you are resorting to the timeworn tactic of "demonizing the enemy" by comparing people who are opposed to a specific political ideology (neoconservatism) to Nazis.

hashfanatic said...

Sounds like a smokescreen for globalism to me.

To me, it sounds like an attack Jason would hurl at any one upset with the nations, particularly America, losing their sovereignity, in favor of a new world order.

PCD said...


One problem with your defense of Hash, Hash hung himself with his only criticism of a URL I pointed to as written by a Jew, not an Israeli, but a Jew. Game left up the post to document Hash's bigotry and stupidity.

Now, Phil, go into your Jew hating corner with Hash and don your suicide belts.

Realism said...

I personally don't hate Jews. Don't hate Muslims either.

I do hate lying shitheads who wont admit the truth even after I have shown them irrefutable evidence that Lee Baca is a Republican.

hashfanatic said...

How, fudgie?

I'm not permitted to use the word "Jew"?


Now, liar, let's talk about your Muslim-hating dysfunctions...

hashfanatic said...

"I personally don't hate Jews. Don't hate Muslims either."

Me neither, but I don't have much use for either of them, particularly when they are allowed to control the decision-making of American politicians...

I resent the American right-wing terribly for dragging us into these tribal battles for their own benefit.

Not one American soldier should be forced to give his life for the interests of Jerusalem OR Riyadh.

PCD said...

Phil, We have you and hash's number. Hash hates wealth, but he hates jews more. He hates, hates, hates. And you defend him and his hates. That make you a hater, too.

hashfanatic said...

I don't think so, fudgepacker dan.